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badhabum

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Skirmishing or running away
« on: February 02, 2019, 01:57:49 PM »
 If a SUG is charged in the flank and turns 90 to run away or SK, it will shorten it's depth as a base is not as deep as it is wide . So may the SUG use this to augment the basic distance between the SUG and the charging unit ?

lionheartrjc

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2019, 05:48:53 PM »
It doesn't necessarily reduce its depth, but the move distance is not adjusted if it does.

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2019, 06:24:02 PM »
Do I understand correctly that the Sug movement will anyway be measured from the point nearest to the charging TUG.
OK?

Other methods as indicated by bahdabum might ( artificially IMO )  increase Sug chances to escape being contacted " base depth is not BW "
« Last Edit: February 06, 2019, 08:53:39 AM by Onurbm »
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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 06:52:35 PM »
Do I understand correctly tha he Sug movemnt will anyway be measured from the point nearest to the charging TUG.
OK?

I think that RJC may be saying that, however, I don't recall anything in the rules that actually says that - if they do and I've missed it to date I'd love the reference as it'd be dead useful  8)
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badhabum

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 07:21:17 PM »
So what ?

IMO the distance between the target and the charging unit should not be variable when turning ...but you may read the rules there is nothing about it .

A point to clarify !

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2019, 06:10:45 AM »
Absolutely. These little details are really needed to make these rules top shelf
« Last Edit: February 06, 2019, 08:54:12 AM by Onurbm »

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2019, 04:59:31 PM »
Sorry, my earlier comment wasn't clear.

My view is that the turn is made and move distance carried out as per the rules. 9.4D4.5 (p76).   Because the depth may change by the unit being turned then it may help the unit to avoid contact. 

You may not agree with the consequences but, if you suggest anything else you are actually inventing new rules!

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2019, 05:12:47 PM »
Thanks for the clarification of what you were saying.

My understanding of the rules is the same.
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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2019, 07:24:04 PM »
IMO we just need some sharp and clear statement in order to avoid vasted arguing time during competitions ;)
My thanks to Richard
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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 07:29:52 PM »
Well I cannot invent new rules as the rules say nothing about such a case ...we needed some precision as to avoid discussion

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 09:42:59 PM »
Rules say you turn and then make the move. Seems precise enough to me.
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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2019, 08:04:19 AM »
Well I cannot invent new rules as the rules say nothing about such a case ...we needed some precision as to avoid discussion

I do not agree.  The rules make it clear how to turn a unit.  The rules make it clear the move distance involved.  A skirmish move is the same as any other move and is quite precise.  There is nothing different about it. 

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2019, 09:38:09 AM »
Just an off the cuff question. If I chose to skirmish in front of an enemy can I chose not to shoot in the charge phase and fire in the shooting phase instead.

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2019, 10:33:47 AM »
Troops are never obliged to shoot 9.6A.4 (p91).
As long as you don't shoot in the Impact Phase you may shoot in the Shooting Phase.

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Re: Skirmishing or running away
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2019, 12:26:04 PM »
Trying to understand this, when turning 90, does your side edge become your new front new front face ?, if so a 9 base SuG 3 deep would move 1/2BW(20mm) away from chargers, that is big