So following the logic...
If an archer base is behind a base that has artillery attached - and the front base shoots as if artillery, then the second rank archer base then suffers a downgrade for shooting in one rank?
Lance.

That might be logical but it's not what Simon said - the file has to chose to fire with one type or the other. It is a pragmatic solution, I think, so you might want to ignore my post-hoc rationalisation if it complicate things!

I'm still more troubled by them being unskilled when in separate artillery units. How bad do you have to be to be worse than European Medieval artillery (who are all experienced)?

Martin

They are now experienced ... see above ...

.... but you have to choose which to shoot in the file.

It is a little more than pragmatic solution.
A design intent is that a file only shoots once so it fits with that.
Don't want 4 deep longbow claiming they can shoot twice per file do we ....
And keeps it simpler.

RJC worry about being too good is then solved by not having both artillery and bw/xbw shooting in the same file.

Si

I think Martymagnificent's point is separate from the artillery added to an infantry unit question. In the Ming list stand-alone artillery is unskilled - which is strange when they come from the land that invented gunpowder. A list issue for the next revision?

A good solution

Dave - a cunning Ming tastic plan...

upgrade the anti cav to a gun, then put it in a file on its own

...as at least one of us is taking Ming to Rollcall...is this a formal clarification?

The formal clarification is on the List Clarifications section of the forum.

Richard

Quote from: DracoStandard on April 03, 2019, 09:40:10 PM
A good solution

Dave - a cunning Ming tastic plan...

upgrade the anti cav to a gun, then put it in a file on its own

Well it says upgrade a shooting base - so I don't think you can upgrade the anticav squads (... all the cunning Ming plans are biting the dust, one by one!

...and now cant be added to the spearmen or dare to die troops

bugger

my list for next weekend is now horribly illegal ...

Bit of thread necromancy

So Ming and Yuan artillery is still unskilled (ie largely useless). Is there some pressing historical reason why this artillery has to be even worse than European Medieval Bombard/Cannon, which all get to be experienced?

Martin

I'm also surprised by the Handgunners being close. Very unusual for shooters in MeG.

Martin

I have added an errata entry allowing Ming and Yuan artillery to be Experienced.  I think this change was overlooked when making the 2020 changes.

Richard

Thanks.

Martin

Sorry for thread necromancy but thought might serve as a reminder.

In the new lists the Ming artillery still seems to be unskilled. Assume an error.

Thanks

Martin