A pleasure.

With hindsight I needed to have a diagram to bring out the big implications.
Had I known people had not done it this way I would have done so.
Alas one can only clear up am conclusion once you know one exists.
And it is in black and white in the rules as has been - and unchanged - since day 1.

But I did rule it this way at every Uk tournament I was at ...
... and watched people doing it right it many bother situations.

Such as

XXXYYYZZZ
   AAABBB

Everyone was happily picking ZZZ if was to their advantage in this situation .... 
.... so I'm afraid it never twigged to me until recently that people were not doing so when it happened that ZZZ was touching a flank as well.

I'll do some more diagrams of the odder situations for 2 bases vs. 1 for the new book.  Should clear them all up.


Si

Can you choose B vs Z in one phase and switch to B vs Y in another.  In particular if your opponent chooses B vs Z but you don't like that much so when its your turn you make the switch?
HH

Simon,
In your example, let's imagine I m player AB. I have massive advantages playing Z instead of X.
When I m picking the file should I pick one of my file (then B and my opponent select X to fight) or can I pick the opponent file (Z in that case forcing my opponent fighting B)?

Subsequent question. I fought Z and triggered a shove. The next files to fight have to be Y and A, right?

Thanks for confirming (especially the first part).
So far when a file was selected we have done : « you fight who you want and I fight who I want ». What you mentioned shows that it works differently

Quote from: badhabum on November 02, 2019, 11:42:50 AM
For the peace of mind of referee's, could you add a complete diagram for the new flank charge rule .

Yes there are already discussions on how to play it . The main problem being the 1 MU X 1 MU space...so why if I am behind the target at 1/2 MU would it not be a flank or rear charge

And We have still no answer to my last phrase : what happens if I am clearly on the flank and there is only a distance of 3/4 of a MU or if I am in the rear of the ennemy unit and within less than one MU ? is it still a flank or rear charge?

Now image this : I move and get to the rear of flank of the ennemy ab-nd I am 1 1/2 MU from it . Now the ennemy moves backwards and the distance becomes less than 1 MU ...is is possible and cheesy or not ?

Assuming I understand what you are asking - the 1BW x 1BE space has to be free of enemy TUG bases (basically) so whether your base is in it it doesn't affect whether there can be a flank/rear charge.

What Nick said.

Simpler that you are trying to make it.

If you can't put a square down next to the base contacted as shown without touching an enemy TuG front edge or corner it won't count as a +4 flank charge, and will fight enemy frontally.

Full stop, the end, that's it.

Si

Quote from: Rino on November 07, 2019, 08:17:26 AM
Simon,
In your example, let's imagine I m player AB. I have massive advantages playing Z instead of X.
When I m picking the file should I pick one of my file (then B and my opponent select X to fight) or can I pick the opponent file (Z in that case forcing my opponent fighting B)?

Subsequent question. I fought Z and triggered a shove. The next files to fight have to be Y and A, right?

Thanks for confirming (especially the first part).
So far when a file was selected we have done : « you fight who you want and I fight who I want ». What you mentioned shows that it works differently

And on this one?

No you get to pick your file to fight first.
Of course if all aligned the same thing.

The fact they have more bases than you will give them the choices - unless you align before combat of course (which you may not be able to do the way you want to if you have hit something).

Si

Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on November 07, 2019, 03:52:28 PM
What Nick said.

Simpler that you are trying to make it.

If you can't put a square down next to the base contacted as shown without touching an enemy TuG front edge or corner it won't count as a +4 flank charge, and will fight enemy frontally.

Full stop, the end, that's it.

Si

so to be clear..to have the +4 flank charge you may not touch the front edge corner of the target if within 1 MU

and if you fight frontally, what happens in the combat phase ? keep being in the front or it becomes flank, if the enemy does not turn bases..?

To be more precise than your question .....

You can only claim a flank charge at all if there is a 1BW square space that does not touch a front edge or corner as the first part of an enemy TuG base.

Thus all other rules then apply as is:
a) you cannot claim an flank pluses
b) you fight the enemy file frontally with all the effects that has on claims - so cancels CL if pikes
c) it cannot then become a flank contact, only a supporting file or a frontal fight


Does that help? I can see its a first language to second language issue so will try in French if not. 

We definitely will do a. French, German etc. translation PDF of the rules now totally stabilised if people are willing to assist.

S

But you bare missing part of my question : and what about a rear charge ?

Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on November 08, 2019, 06:24:56 AM
To be more precise than your question .....

You can only claim a flank charge at all if there is a 1BW square space that does not touch a front edge or corner as the first part of an enemy TuG base.

Thus all other rules then apply as is:
a) you cannot claim an flank pluses
b) you fight the enemy file frontally with all the effects that has on claims - so cancels CL if pikes
c) it cannot then become a flank contact, only a supporting file or a frontal fight


Does that help? I can see its a first language to second language issue so will try in French if not. 

We definitely will do a. French, German etc. translation PDF of the rules now totally stabilised if people are willing to assist.

S

this cristal clear

Thank you. And good to hear.  Always happy to do so.

Si

The flank rules are OK . But one of my question remains : what about rear charges ? will it also be necessary to have a ONE MU gap/distance from the target  ?

Also what happens if a TUG is partly to the rear  of an ennemy TUG and partly on the rear flank and to make it complete within one MU ?

As the actual rules section is Flank/Rear Charges I'd expect the same to apply to both for simplicity's sake.