This came up last Saturday, and I'm still scratching my head.

Unit A, 6 stands of cataphracts, declared a charge on Unit 1, 8 stands of crossbow. Unit A was at an angle to the crossbow's front, so that a slight wheel in one direction would bring it charging into only one stand of crossbow. At declaration of the charge, 3 stands of crossbow had cataphracts directly to their front, so all 4 had arc. When the cats were moved to 1BW, where the shooting actually is deemed to happen, only 1 stand of crossbow has a stand of cats to front, so only 2 crossbow can shoot.

What was the right answer? In the game, only 2 Xbows got to shoot. We're we right?

Yup - you can wheel to cut down the number of bases shooting at you when you charge, only those with the path of the charge within 1BW and ahead of them (i.e. in front of the line extending the bases' front) can shoot.

Work out the charge path (which stops when the UG contacts the enemy).  Any element within 1BW of the charge path can shoot. 
It isn't possible without a diagram to tell wihether you got it right or not.

Note: the shooting is not deemed to take place at 1BW (for calculating the arc of fire) - this will only clould your thinking.  It is whether elements are within 1BW of the charge path.

Richard

Quote from: lionheartrjc on March 19, 2019, 06:31:41 PM
Note: the shooting is not deemed to take place at 1BW - this will only clould your thinking.

Per the clarries the range is considered to be 1BW for factors. Can be quite important for shooting at Unprotected SUGs, FArm and ArmHrs.

Quote from: nikgaukroger on March 19, 2019, 07:06:46 PM

Quote from: lionheartrjc on March 19, 2019, 06:31:41 PM
Note: the shooting is not deemed to take place at 1BW - this will only clould your thinking.

Per the clarries the range is considered to be 1BW for factors. Can be quite important for shooting at Unprotected SUGs, FArm and ArmHrs.

Indeed - I have modified my response to clarify that for arc purposes the range doesn't matter.

Cool - pretty clear now I think 

sorry might be my bad english, but this is now not clear anymore.

when shooting at chargers, you shoot if the announced path comes within 1 MU.

does that mean that if the charge starts from more that 1 MU away, you can choose on what base, within the arc of fire, to shoot ?

so you can concentrate shooting on one specific base with several shooting bases ?

Fair question.

Not clearly covered from what I can see. I think people play it as deciding what base to shoot at at 1 BW - whether that is actually correct may be moot, but it is simple and keeps everything to the same 1 BW distance so you don't have to remember an exception.

Its simply if they pass within 1BW.
Dont complicate it with arcs - already wrapped into the above.
1BW for factors.

last one interesting if there are different targets.  Needs a clarry.
Some interesting options it seems to me:

1. Always front rank and those that pass most in front of a shooting file.  So if two pass completely you would have choice.  Has adantage that if rear ranks pass more through the 1BW zone they get the first.
2. As above but always the first file that passes in front of the shooter - think that is my preferred as simpler to figure out and adjudicate.
3. Choice of those that pass in front - so could target rear ranks if protected and ignore front rank - not keen.
Front rAlso makes sense that the same rule should apply for who you shoot at - each file at whichever file crosses path most.

Thoughts welcome.  My preference is 2.

Si

OK, before getting further into this I'd like to check that you are saying that shooting at chargers for all things involved with it will be adjudicated as if at 1BW?

(With, presumablty, the common sense caveat that if starting close you use the actual start position)

Might be simpler to say to shoot at the nearest base in the charge path as soon it enters in the 1 MU. it is simple and clean
i am not sure shooting units wil say .." oh wait the rear rank is unptotected ! let wait and shoot at them"

Better to shoot before they move . Who knows they might even be delayed and never enter the 1 MU . I know it seems strange but it is a game , not reality .

Keep it simple otherwise, next question will be : may we move MU by MU with a special table to know who moves when as some units move 5 MU while others 3 MU and so on ... KISS

Quote from: badhabum on March 20, 2019, 07:31:21 PM
Who knows they might even be delayed and never enter the 1 MU .

The rules recognise this may happen (it actually written in) and that this is part of the way the mechanisms were designed to get the effect desired. The well know effects of shooting when within 1BW are probably why this is done - they are desired to apply to chargers being shot at.

The simplest approach may be to allow only bases that come within 1BW of the charge path to fire, but to treat the shooting priorities as to which file they can shoot at to apply as the figures are when the shooting takes place (i.e. before the chargers have moved).  So, if the charge starts more than 1BW away, the shooters can target any file within their arc.  If within 1BW, at the file most to their front.  A shooting file which is within 1BW of the charge path, but not normally within arc, shoots at the file nearest to it.

Until instructed otherwise, this is how I would umpire it if asked.

Richard

Quote from: nikgaukroger on March 20, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
OK, before getting further into this I'd like to check that you are saying that shooting at chargers for all things involved with it will be adjudicated as if at 1BW?

(With, presumablty, the common sense caveat that if starting close you use the actual start position)

Indeed.