2020 rule tweaks

[rayfredjohn]

The changes to prompting through fire - this seems to be aimed at knight Vs horse archers (which I think is a bit of a problem now) but won't this also make foot even worse against horse archers ( hello FoG).

This was my feedback

[craig.w]

I think the new prompting through fire is too harsh.  Had anyone actually play tested this?

Give it a go Ray. Felt good to me in may two test games.
Need to make sure you don't charge from max range which is good.
Gave HA a little bit more time and space to work with.

Currently it is pretty simple to prompt through fire, I'd suggest almost trivial to anyone who applies a little thought - the change will bring it a bit more into play and should, IMO, provide the little extra balance needed in Crusader:Muslim battles which is missing at present (due to speed increase of knights in 2019).

Is using a change to a universal rule the way to solve the problem that knights move as quickly as horse archers?  Hmmmm, probably not.

That is a side effect.  The reason is that all missile fire hasn't quite yet reached its required effect in slowing.  So what it will do is give mass bow armies a chance and nudge HA armies a bit more into the mainstream.

And nudge barbarian foot armies even further out of the mainstream? No one uses them now, making them worse is unlikely to change it. Maybe knights should move 4, as they used to? Problem solved!!

[craig.w]

The changes to prompting through fire - this seems to be aimed at knight Vs horse archers (which I think is a bit of a problem now) but won't this also make foot even worse against horse archers ( hello FoG).

This was my feedback

Ah, yes, I see now. Great minds think alike!

[marshalney2000]

Quite a few tribal armies at a Britcon. I got mine through massed bow fire quite easily.

[rayfredjohn]

Quite a few tribal armies at a Britcon. I got mine through massed bow fire quite easily.

into horse archers?

[marshalney2000]

I beat one horse archer army 15 to zero from memory and Timurids 9 to 2. Getting massed foot through massed archery is too easy in my book.

[martymagnificent]

I use barbarian foot a fair bit and I think it is fair to say that shooting armies (whether foot or mounted) are the least of their problems.

Martin

[Simon Meg-Meister]

That is one universal issus which is what the slowing and a bit of points reduction is for.
WIll ease.

Still easier to play the foot.  But more chance for the HA with a decent player.
rather than just and expert.

S

[marshalney2000]

That is one universal issus which is what the slowing and a bit of points reduction is for.
WIll ease.

Still easier to play the foot.  But more chance for the HA with a decent player.
rather than just and expert.

S

Sounds about right. Looking forward to getting my horse archer armies out again rather than large foot armies.

[marshalney2000]

There was talk as well of dropping the minus one for cavalry fighting after shooting in. An evade. I presume this has been dropped.

[nikgaukroger]

There was talk as well of dropping the minus one for cavalry fighting after shooting in. An evade. I presume this has been dropped.

Si squashed that idea in the chariots topic 

[craig.w]

Quite a few tribal armies at a Britcon. I got mine through massed bow fire quite easily.

But what kind of tribal foot? The fact that two feudal Germans and one Frisian army were used seems to indicate that there was some 'gimmick' in those armies.

[nikgaukroger]

Loose long spear and close Viking types - both are in mixed units with better troops to the front, in the case of the Viking types Superior. Gives you a nice open table block and a good terrain capability.

[Robin]

Quite a few tribal armies at a Britcon. I got mine through massed bow fire quite easily.

But what kind of tribal foot? The fact that two feudal Germans and one Frisian army were used seems to indicate that there was some 'gimmick' in those armies.

Well one of the armies had two allies that never historically fought together. At the moment. You can take minimal amount of main army troop types and fill out with goodies from other lists. And let's not forget the Frisians almost conquered the world LOL. Roman's, Byzantines and Norman's were historically rubbish !! Right 
It's a bit Flames of War v4. Cherry picking. Needs sorting.

[nikgaukroger]

Well one of the armies had two allies that never historically fought together.

Are you sure of that?