2020 rule tweaks

[nikgaukroger]

Like the Kiel solution - Pikes in 12's. Ideal for Italian Wars etc. Saves that occasion list with single pike block of 8 bases and mandatory kiel characteristic - how doe that work ?

If you flag any such it'll help catch them for sorting 

[marshalney2000]

Like the Kiel solution - Pikes in 12's. Ideal for Italian Wars etc. Saves that occasion list with single pike block of 8 bases and mandatory kiel characteristic - how doe that work ?

If you flag any such it'll help catch them for sorting 

Just a quick thought but some of the Italian War TUGs are already very expensive and have very few TUGs in the army already. Will the charge to 12 bases make these armies unplayable as they will be so small. Could a 12 base TUG count as one and a half in both army and loss count?

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Look sensible - however some concern over 'all chariots can evade' .... what even those Mycenaean chappie with long spear (as cavalry with long spear can't) and more worrying .. Assyrian/Babylonian tanks which should struggle with anything straight ahead. Am assuming the characteristics will determine this ?

Yes I meant all can evade subject to other rules.  Amended above.

S

[Rino]

On uneven, it was use to give an edge to mounted on infantry.

What would be the options now for a changing lancer against long spear army going table wide?
Going through the woods?

Hard time for the lancers.

Simon, can you revert to us on this one?
Thx.

[Simon Meg-Meister]

On uneven, it was use to give an edge to mounted on infantry.

What would be the options now for a changing lancer against long spear army going table wide?
Going through the woods?

Hard time for the lancers.

Simon, can you revert to us on this one?
Thx.

Well you are are right there is nowhere to "hide" now but that will encourage results. Most people didn't like uneven so have bowed to the big majority (even though in the minority myself on this one).

FWIW my plan in such a match up would be to put down a mix of rough going and deep hills.  Plan as follows:

• Hills with the +1 even things up nicely with Superior CL.  You then have a good chance with a break off.  Hills need to be enough to allow you to break off 2BW and charge in again.
  Ride some lancers through the rough if not covered.  You can fight in it perfectly well as the spears lose their factors and the cat keep Sup and M Expert.
  Use mobility to fight on a narrow frontage only with a second wave of charges.

And we don't see many hoplite armies so maybe this will encourage a few.

Si

[Robin]

Tweaks. Roman legionnaires. Still not many get used. Why not make them close order, with the option of flex foot as the Auxilia tended to do the donkey work. Would make them a little cheaper and more likely to be used.

[Robin]

Why no Unprotected in charge combat phase ?

[Robin]

Lots of lists appear to have few cumpulsory troop types, thus making historically unsuccessful armies somewhat unrealistically successful on the table

[Robin]

No uneven cavalry friendly terrain  Purchased several bits of it from Magister Militum at Britcon on sunday circa £160 !!!! Why is it being removed?

[nikgaukroger]

Well you are are right there is nowhere to "hide" now but that will encourage results.

Indeed. It isn't as if long spears, pikes, etc. were going into Uneven as that was suicide, in those matchups it just encouraged stand offs 

[marshalney2000]

You also get the crazy situation where Mounted can count long spear but foot can not.

[nikgaukroger]

Not really crazy - foot LSp is a mass effect weapon that relies on cohesion whereas mounted LSp is an individualistic weapon (the "fencing lancers" of an old DBM list).

[rayfredjohn]

I think the new prompting through fire is too harsh.  Had anyone actually play tested this?

[marshalney2000]

Not really crazy - foot LSp is a mass effect weapon that relies on cohesion whereas mounted LSp is an individualistic weapon (the "fencing lancers" of an old DBM list).

Look at another way, foot cannot get an advantage in magic terrain. Flexible foot in particular lose both ways in that if in close they are disadvantaged by terrain and if in loose counts as loose foot in the open against mounted. What exactly does this terrain look like that it creates these strange effects?

[marshalney2000]

Do we have any examples historically of mounted going into a patch of openish terrain and flicking V signs at foot who have no answer to a large body of horse in a piece of ground that is only marginally worse than a billiard table?