M7 - Expand while stationary - Is it possible for a unit in combat?

[badhabum]

4. If not in combat, but UGs are touching in corner-to-corner/edge-to-edge contact, then by the turn or wheel moves on page 80 Note an MF1 is not allowed as at the time you are not in combat at the time of making the move.  The philosophy being that they are still moving as organised units, whereas MF1, MF2 moves are the general repsonses of troops in a fight, to get into the scrap.

What if the TUG is in frontal contact with an ennemy TUG to the front and wants to expand to have frontal contact with another ennemy TUG or SUG that is in "support" and so corner to corner contact only ?

[badhabum]

And indeed has ruled that way, however, he asked the question because earlier this year Si posted the following:

MF1 moves
Are intended for use only when in combat.
Notes: "Create Supporting Files, fill gaps, create new rear ranks etc.  Multiple actions allowed."
Alas that "etc." may be a lazy error on my part.
MF1 is to create people fighting.  So it really is "Create Supporting Files, fill file gaps, create new files or create new rear ranks" and nothing more (?check).
That again is why it is cheaper than some of the equivalent moves such as an expansion move M7. 
But with the "etc." I can see how it could be rightly argued that this includes using it to just "expand" as per M7 on the cheap.  My mistake.
It is a response to close enemy and an imminent and present danger. I think to get that I simply need to delete the etc?

Which says that Si does not intend it to be so.

However, a new clarification has, as yet, not been published.

Actually it isn't M7 n the cheap so not worried about the being done as an MF1.  It does seem a reasonable short threat reaction when in melee and keeps it simply that its MF1/2 moves ONLY when in combat but otherwise no exceptions needed.  I will leave it that way.

I have added a clarry on methods of making contact with enemy.  Currently as follows.  Please check adn prompt me on any lack of clarity or imissions.

Ways of making contact with enemy UGs
There are only the following methods:
1. A charge making contact with front edge or corner.
2. If you are in combat, an MF1 move used to expand to frontally fight (your front edge) an enemy base adjacent to your UG. This can thereby draw a new enemy UG into a frontal Melee Combat, and potentially if said enemy is not currently in combat (i.e. corner to corner contact on one side due to an enemy base loss).  Note no such move is allowed if it creates only a flank contact with an enemy (e,g, to thereby avoid being charged in the flank); but if there were a base to fight frontally they could do so and would then face a front and flank melee combat.
3. If you are in combat, an MF2 move that turns to face to give a frontal combat where previously their was side or rear contact.
4. If not in combat, but UGs are touching in corner-to-corner/edge-to-edge contact, then by the turn or wheel moves on page 80 Note an MF1 is not allowed as at the time you are not in combat at the time of making the move.  The philosophy being that they are still moving as organised units, whereas MF1, MF2 moves are the general repsonses of troops in a fight, to get into the scrap.

Should the clarries not be posted in the right forum ? I noticed clarries here and there but they should be all in the same place

[Simon Meg-Meister]

They are always in the same place.
Website for clarries at jan 1.
Running stream in my section called latest clarries - updated as we go.
This was  just a copy fYI.

Si

[DracoStandard]

reading that....

if you were facing a TUG that had stepped slightly past your front line (and possibly had a shimy) to set up a flank charge...could you expand into it to stop the charge


simplest version

XXX
OOOXX
OOO
O
X are the two dastardly bad gu TUGs who have unsportingly moved down the flank of O

can the brave (and possibly heroic) extra O jump out to lock the sneaky flanking TUG in combat creating something like

XXX
OOOXX
OOOO

[mad lemmey]

Yup, that's the question we all need answering...

Good luck heroic little 0.

[DracoStandard]

...if you can its the quickest way to sop that annoying slide past and flank charge that seems to be all the rage at the moment

[lionheartrjc]

reading that....

if you were facing a TUG that had stepped slightly past your front line (and possibly had a shimy) to set up a flank charge...could you expand into it to stop the charge


simplest version

XXX
OOOXX
OOO
O
X are the two dastardly bad gu TUGs who have unsportingly moved down the flank of O

can the brave (and possibly heroic) extra O jump out to lock the sneaky flanking TUG in combat creating something like

XXX
OOOXX
OOOO

If XX (the dastardly ones) are a supporting file, then by Simon's clarification above then yes you can use an MF1 move to expand into frontal combat against them.  If however there is a gap between the UGs then no, you cannot use either an MF1 or an M7 to expand.


Richard

[mad lemmey]

Is it wrong I now want to do an allied unit of 0s?

[Simon Meg-Meister]

reading that....

if you were facing a TUG that had stepped slightly past your front line (and possibly had a shimy) to set up a flank charge...could you expand into it to stop the charge


simplest version

XXX
OOOXX
OOO
O
X are the two dastardly bad gu TUGs who have unsportingly moved down the flank of O

can the brave (and possibly heroic) extra O jump out to lock the sneaky flanking TUG in combat creating something like

XXX
OOOXX
OOOO

If XX (the dastardly ones) are a supporting file, then by Simon's clarification above then yes you can use an MF1 move to expand into frontal combat against them.  If however there is a gap between the UGs then no, you cannot use either an MF1 or an M7 to expand.


Richard

This is a very interesting one the more I think about it.  If we allow MF1 to do this to protect a flank then we could have a situation where an engaged UG finds it easier to protect its flank than an unengaged one.  So M7 and MF1 used this way need to be consistent.  Will discuss with Richard on Skype and revert.  As is for now. AS usual the official stream only is real. All else is discussion.

Si