rules clarifications

[badhabum]

During EMEGC we discovered that some players interpreted the placement of a camp a bit in different ways when you have a protected flank .

Everyone agrees and understand that a camp must be within the 6 MU of the center but, based on QRS, some understand that if you have a protected flank it must be "only" between the center and the protected flank . The wording OR is interpreted not as an option but an obligation.

Second point of discussion was the MF1 move that enables to contact an unhappy SUG next to an engaged TUG . There seems to be a difference if it is done during movement phase or melee phase

[lionheartrjc]

1.  Or allows either option.

2. MF1 in the movement phase will result in the SuG being pushed back.  MF1 in the melee phase and the SuG is not pushed back, so the SuG becomes engaged in the melee.

Richard

[nikgaukroger]

2. MF1 in the movement phase will result in the SuG being pushed back.

But only applies only if the MF 1 move is the first move for the UG. Although I suspect this may not have been considered when writing as the rules really only talk about it not happening in the second move of an MF 14 move.

[lionheartrjc]

2. MF1 in the movement phase will result in the SuG being pushed back.

But only applies only if the MF 1 move is the first move for the UG. Although I suspect this may not have been considered when writing as the rules really only talk about it not happening in the second move of an MF 14 move.

Not sure that this is correct. The rules specifically only prevent the push back on the second move of an M14 double move.

Richard

[nikgaukroger]

The rules also specify the TUGs first move:

"2. Otherwise, if your TuG contacts an enemy SuG during it's first move (not the second move of an M14 double move) the opponent may choose to run away or be pushed back: ..."

My emphasis.

As I said, I doubt it was really considered in terms of the MF 1 move.

[Jilu]

so what is the answer to this MF1 move?

[lionheartrjc]

Nik,

I think you are trying to pick holes.  The context is clearly the second move of an M14 double move.  There is NO intention to prevent a push back with an MF1 move in the movement phase. 

Remember an UG might have charged so that the first MF1 move might be the second move in the turn and that you can make multiple MF1 moves.

Richard

[nikgaukroger]

Might be 

But it does highlight a possible gap that is there, IMO, from the wording.

I'd be quite happy that any MF 1 move could cause a push back and that it is clarified as such.

[lionheartrjc]

But it does highlight a possible gap that is there, IMO, from the wording.

The wording can (always) be improved!   

Richard

[nikgaukroger]

Sisyphus had it easy by comparison 

[badhabum]

so what is the answer to this MF1 move?

Unless I am mistaken the answer is :

2. MF1 in the movement phase will result in the SuG being pushed back.  MF1 in the melee phase and the SuG is not pushed back, so the SuG becomes engaged in the melee.