Epirot Byzantine - 5207

[daveparish]

Hi

The Epirot Byzantine list names several allies including Achaean Frank (only in 1259 and 1292 CE) and Angevin (1276 to 1291 CE). It then notes that Achaean Frank and Angevin allies may be used together. But I can't see any year where both would be available. So is it the dates or the notes that are wrong (or have I missed the point)?

[lionheartrjc]

Oops.  Give me some time to take a look at this as it is not an area of history I am particularly familiar with.  As things stand you clearly cannot take both together.

Richard

[daveparish]

Had a bit of a look at this myself - hope these comments help:-

1) I think there is another issue here. The Angevin ally is described as Norman Sicilian (5603) but I think should be Angevin Sicilian (5612)

2) The 1259 date is the battle of Pelagonia. Or rather that campaign (the Epirots b*ggered off before the actual battle in typical Byzantine style). Both Achaean Frank and Angevin troops were there  - so you could allow both allies at this date. But the Angevin contingent was very small - maybe 400 mercenary German knights and sergeants that Charles hired and sent. Might be better to have them as a single extra TUG of knights for 1259 only - integrated in the Epirot command structure (either as just a TUG or as a small contingent but not as an ally)

3) The Angevins from 1272 -1291 represents their alliance (as far as the Angevins were concerned the Epirots were their vassals). It continued to later dates (at least 1294, I think). That would give a date where both allies were available. But I couldn't see anything about the Achaean Franks and Epirots working together so I think the 1292 date for the Achaean Franks might be a bit dubious possibly.

So in conclusion I'd go with:-     1259 Achaean ally and small one TUG Angevin knight contingent
                                                1272 -1291 (or later?)  Angevin (5612) ally but no Achean


Not claiming any great depth of research though, but hope it helps