Maximillian and Italian state Hakenbuchsenschutze

[badhabum]

How does it work about shooting ?

So we have keils of 12 bases and may put 3 SK bases in the keil so I suppose upgrade 3 of the 12 bases

So only one file shoots?

With the 3 skirmishers in the same file or does it create 3 shooting bases that could shoot on black  so the whole front would shoot ?

I have not verified the lists modifications  but the Maximillian list allows 3 SK per upgraded unit and the Italian only 2 or has it been modified

If it was discussed before, sorry I did not find it back

[nikgaukroger]

With the 3 skirmishers in the same file or does it create 3 shooting bases that could shoot on black  so the whole front would shoot ?

I think this is the design intention.

[badhabum]

With the 3 skirmishers in the same file or does it create 3 shooting bases that could shoot on black  so the whole front would shoot ?

I think this is the design intention.

Which one the all in one file or give each file a black die the last being the easiest ( and why only 2 bases for the Italian states )

[badhabum]

No answer ?

[tarnowski1]

No answer ?

all in one file.
2 in one file, 1 in another file
3 in separate files.

choice is yours, there is no limitation set by the lists.

as to Italian list, probably a hang over from pre-12 keil sizes.

[badhabum]

Ok but if 1 in one file there is no shooting if we say it is a SK ..so the question remains HOW DOES IT WORK

[nikgaukroger]

Why would you treat the base as a skirmisher for shooting?

The bases are Drilled Close with Experienced Firearm shooting capability and so are not skirmishers and thus follow the normal rules for non-skirmishers shooting. If they are in 1 rank they will get the usual colour downgrade for not being in 2 ranks.

[badhabum]

So we agree on : 3 SUG bases to transform 3 TUG bases ( frontal ) as a one rank deep shooting base ( black dice ) and Italian state should also state 3 SK bases and not 2

[tarnowski1]

So we agree on..... and Italian state should also state 3 SK bases and not 2

not until RJC confirms its a list issue and not intentional. till then 2 is 2

[nikgaukroger]

So we agree on..... and Italian state should also state 3 SK bases and not 2

not until RJC confirms its a list issue and not intentional. till then 2 is 2

Indeed. Looks like it needs an errata, but until that happens you are restricted to 2 bases - unless your opponent agrees otherwise of course, what consenting players do between themselves in private is not our concern.

Also, whilst I think the intention is just a single rank of Firearm equipped bases, at present there is no restriction as to how you deploy them as Matt mentioned yesterday.

[lionheartrjc]

Everyone seems to be reading things into this that aren't written.  In the Maximillian list 3 skirmishers can be replaced by 3 TuG bases.  In the Italians States  list 2 skirmishers can be replaced by 2 TuG bases. They can be in a single file or in several files.

Okay, there might be an argument that says I might have updated one list and not the other....  If so I will issue an errata.

Richard

[lionheartrjc]

And hey presto - there is an entry in the errata....

Richard

[badhabum]

Thank you for everything

**Instead of skirmishers, up to 3 handgunners can be folded into pike

I think as I was not alone to wonder that the problem is when you write a rule ( or orders, directions ...) you must always remember that other people who will read it might have another interpretation

I understood that 3 SUG bases would be "integrated" in the TUG and logically do to the front

But now we have an answer