Question about Ambushes

[Agoz]

So for Ambushes, my impression is you place the ambush card in vision blocking terrain and place a note under it stating what it contains, if anything. My question is, isn't my opponent going to know what the Ambushes contain by what I haven't placed on the table? Or is the assumption that they haven't seen my army list?

[Jilu]

So for Ambushes, my impression is you place the ambush card in vision blocking terrain and place a note under it stating what it contains, if anything. My question is, isn't my opponent going to know what the Ambushes contain by what I haven't placed on the table? Or is the assumption that they haven't seen my army list?

well yes
but then, lots of units in your list are non compulsory.
or suprises can be fun a 4 base catafract in a forset is always surprising

[Agoz]

So for Ambushes, my impression is you place the ambush card in vision blocking terrain and place a note under it stating what it contains, if anything. My question is, isn't my opponent going to know what the Ambushes contain by what I haven't placed on the table? Or is the assumption that they haven't seen my army list?

well yes
but then, lots of units in your list are non compulsory.
or suprises can be fun a 4 base catafract in a forset is always surprising

Sorry, I didn't mean the overall army list from the website, I meant my excel spreadsheet, they should know exactly which units I brought if they've looked at my spreadsheet(Which I bring to my games to prove my list is legal). At the end of deployment it should be a pretty simple matter of looking at the table, seeing what I've placed, and then looking at my spreadsheet, and seeing what I haven't placed out of what I brought to figure out what's in ambush. Which is why I'm asking, do other players hide their army lists from their opponents? Is that what is expected?

[nikgaukroger]

Showing your opponent your list after deployment is not normal.

[Agoz]

I see, okay, that would have been considered cheating in other games I've played so that is good to know! Second question, the rules say that up to three ambushes may be placed, but it doesn't say PER PLAYER, meaning that as I understand it the two players have to share the ambush cards. Lets say I'm playing on a particularly terrain dense board and both players want to place as many ambushes as possible, how do I determine who gets access to the ambush cards if both players want all three?

[daveparish]

There is nothing to stop you showing each other your lists if that is the local convention where you play. If there are ambushes or flank marches just wait until they have been revealed before exchanging lists. Sometimes it can be good to have a check that you haven't accidentally written an illegal list (it has even happened that competition list checkers have let illegal lists through - so it is not always easy to get right!).

[badhabum]

By the way may an ambush be used to deploy TUGs on the extreme part of an unprotected flank where normaly you may only deploy SUGs ..I did not find a clear answer to this

[nikgaukroger]

Page 69 Deployment Zones - nice and explicit.

[badhabum]

 ambushes have special rules very specific and just say you may deploy CLOSER but closer to what ?

And Ok found pg 69

[Agoz]

Funnily enough I did play a game today where both players wanted all three ambush cards (the game ended up being in dense mountains with a secure flank, nobody placed any open terrain, Classical Greeks ended up winning which is shocking) We just ended up rolling off to determine who got two ambushes and who got one, but I'd like a more official answer as to how the three cards get divvied up.

[nikgaukroger]

You don't share the ambush cards, only the colour cards. From the glossary entry on Ambushes - "Each player may place up to three of these".

[badhabum]

yep and pay attention to the "own half of the table" which is more than your deployment zone !

[Agoz]

Thanks guys, I didn't think to look at the glossary, I assumed the full version of the rule would have been in actual ambush rules.