A couple of newbie questions

[Chazrael]

A couple more newbie Pacto questions from my latest game (Republican Romans vs some flavour of Macedonian / Successors)

MF moves (expand in combat & turn to face). Are these available in Pacto as they're not listed in the summary sheet
Skirmish fights. My velites failed to kill some skirmish archers screening a TuG. Can my hastati stood behind the velites do anything or are they stuck? All the bases were effectively in a long column with friends to either side. ie
Pike
Pike
Pike
S.Arch
S.Arch (wounded)
Velite

Hastati
Hastati

Thanks

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Great to see you having so much fun.  Spread the news!

A couple more newbie Pacto questions from my latest game (Republican Romans vs some flavour of Macedonian / Successors)

MF moves (expand in combat & turn to face). Are these available in Pacto as they're not listed in the summary sheet.

Deliberately not to keep it simple.  So if flanked you gift the +2 for flank in melee and no speeding out.  That said nothing to stop you reinserting and using the Maximus sheet if you want to.  In the case for slowing treat any hit as slowed by 1 and any from artillery as lowed by 2.

Skirmish fights. My velites failed to kill some skirmish archers screening a TuG. Can my hastati stood behind the velites do anything or are they stuck? All the bases were effectively in a long column with friends to either side. ie
Pike
Pike
Pike
S.Arch
S.Arch (wounded)
Velite

Hastati
Hastati

Your stuck waiting for the skirmishers to finish sorting each other out.  Which is why skirmishers generally don't want to get engaged. Better to shoot at case range where you are GREEN to their WHITE in that situation.  They you can always pull back to let the Hastati charge.  Ina. wood however the Velites far better to get stuck in.

Hope that helps.

Thanks

[Chazrael]

Thanks for the answers. They both confirmed what I expected.

I was somewhat dissappointed that my velites failed to drive off the skirmishing archers.

[Simon Meg-Meister]

 Yes I can imagine.  Two goes at Green to White or better still... likely to succeed.

S

[badhabum]

Thanks for the answers. They both confirmed what I expected.

I was somewhat dissappointed that my velites failed to drive off the skirmishing archers.

Just wait till you roll 2 S on 2 red dice ...that is what I call disapointment 

[Simon Meg-Meister]

He He.

Well however good the situation things go wrong ... ran over a hidden ditch!

S

[Chazrael]

Got another Pacto game of Republican Romans vs Macedonians. This prompted a couple of questions.

First is quite simple. Does a shove generated in the charge phase carry over to the melee phase?

Second is less simple. Macedonian centre was 4 units of pike in a block. The Romans tried to outflank this with a unit of hastati. Sadly (for the Romans) the Macedonians were the active player and declared a charge form the end pike block at the outflanking hastati. At the time we allowed this but later it occured to me that the charging pike block would have had to wheel at the start of the charge move causing it to overlap the adjacent pike block. There was sufficient room for the charging pikes in their final position. The attached picture may help clarify the situation (apologies for the bad paint art). Was this a valid charge?


Cheers

Charles

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[mark hargrave]

Looks from the picture that the Romans couldn't flank charge anyway as they are not beyond the front line of the pikes

[Simon Meg-Meister]

First is quite simple. Does a shove generated in the charge phase carry over to the melee phase?

only assist any bases that haven't yet fought that phase.

Second is less simple. Macedonian centre was 4 units of pike in a block. The Romans tried to outflank this with a unit of hastati. Sadly (for the Romans) the Macedonians were the active player and declared a charge form the end pike block at the outflanking hastati. At the time we allowed this but later it occured to me that the charging pike block would have had to wheel at the start of the charge move causing it to overlap the adjacent pike block. There was sufficient room for the charging pikes in their final position. The attached picture may help clarify the situation (apologies for the bad paint art). Was this a valid charge?

If it fits its fine. KISS.

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Looks from the picture that the Romans couldn't flank charge anyway as they are not beyond the front line of the pikes

This is also correct. The Hastati need to have their front edge entirely beyond the Lin extending the pikes front to claim a flank +4 at the time they are moved.  On your easier question not that we mark them and then move them.  So at no point are the figure in the interim wheeled position. That only happens if they turn 90 or 180.  They start at A and if they fit at B they are done.  Also the simplest solution.  I never like rules that are a creation of our abstract rectangular bases - real battles weren't fought between them.

Si

[Chazrael]

Thanks for the answers. All makes sense.

Cheers

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Excellent.
Have fun.