Yes indeed.  You just shoot second so the initiator has a little edge.

Si

Well, that all makes sense and lets me know how to better play the shoot & charge type. In our case, I would have been able to do free charges, because of the Charging Lancers in front rank and his charges started within 3BW. So I would have gotten the shooting and not been penalized for standing and shooting.

The thing you can do to mess up the enemy with Shoot & Charge is to launch you charge from >3BW, so that he cannot Shoot & Charge, as it is out of bow range. For mounted, that is.

Quote from: RobAustin on February 19, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Well, that all makes sense and lets me know how to better play the shoot & charge type. In our case, I would have been able to do free charges, because of the Charging Lancers in front rank and his charges started within 3BW. So I would have gotten the shooting and not been penalized for standing and shooting.

The thing you can do to mess up the enemy with Shoot & Charge is to launch you charge from >3BW, so that he cannot Shoot & Charge, as it is out of bow range. For mounted, that is.

In this situation the Shoot & Charge troops should not charge. They then shoot at the chargers as they come in. 

The real thing to do to mess them up is wait until they have declared a charge from >3BW and then charge them.  That way, they don't get to shoot at all.

Richard

Quote from: nikgaukroger on February 19, 2020, 07:30:37 AM

Quote from: RobAustin on February 18, 2020, 08:14:20 PM

Quote from: accard on February 18, 2020, 01:35:27 PM
But you can still declare a charge even if he declares one first.

Do you get to shoot and charge if he charges first? I thought not, but if so, then yeah, that will work.

Yes you do. As long as you actually declare a charge you get to shoot at the point you declare it, it doesn't matter if you then don't actually move your bases and an opponents charge does not preempt your shooting.

But you need to be in shooting range

Quote from: lionheartrjc on February 20, 2020, 07:31:31 AM

Quote from: RobAustin on February 19, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Well, that all makes sense and lets me know how to better play the shoot & charge type. In our case, I would have been able to do free charges, because of the Charging Lancers in front rank and his charges started within 3BW. So I would have gotten the shooting and not been penalized for standing and shooting.

The thing you can do to mess up the enemy with Shoot & Charge is to launch you charge from >3BW, so that he cannot Shoot & Charge, as it is out of bow range. For mounted, that is.

In this situation the Shoot & Charge troops should not charge. They then shoot at the chargers as they come in. 

The real thing to do to mess them up is wait until they have declared a charge from >3BW and then charge them.  That way, they don't get to shoot at all.

Richard

Well, if the Shoot & Charge do not charge and stand and shoot, the enemy get a +1 in combat, right? Isn't that what we just discussed? So standing to shoot has a big cost, even if the front rank are not shooting.

If mounted Charge and Shoot declare a charge from over 3BW they don't get to shoot no matter what the enemy response is, correct? So if they have declared a charge from more than 3BW they have already messed up and you can just receive the charge.