Intercepts and Targest of Charges

Started by lionheartrjc, October 22, 2019, 08:11:05 AM

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lionheartrjc

Had a situation yesterday that was a bit unusual.  I declared a charge on a SuG of cavalry.  My opponent intercepted.  I assume that the SuG originally charged is no longer the target of a charge so doesn't have to Run Away or Skirmish and can then make a prompted action in the Movement Phase.  I just think the rules could be slightly clearer on this point.

Richard

nikgaukroger

In RJC's example the skirmishers are the target of the initial charge declaration and have not declared one themselves so has not made a prompted action.
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Simon Meg-Meister

My intent is actually as written:  they make a response. 

I felt the threat of heavies is enough to drive them some distance away. And in reality the sequencing is all simultaneous - the interceptor doesn't really get to move first.

The only difference from an intercept or countercharge is that the path of charge has changed a interceptors are in the way so tit may not go within 1BW.  So they may not be able to shoot as part of it.

Si
Rolling Skulls in the land or Purple

lionheartrjc

So if the target of the charge was a TuG, not a SuG - it cam choose to stand.   Can it them make a prompted action in the Movement Phase? 

Richard

Simon Meg-Meister

Can you expand the scenario a bit as not too clear.

Si
Rolling Skulls in the land or Purple

lionheartrjc

Similar to my first scenario,  but a cavalry TuG is the target of a charge.  Another cavalry TuG makes an intercept move preventing the enemy TuG from contacting the original target.  According to your ruling above, the first cavalry TuG is still considered a target of the charge, but it could choose to stand.  Can it then make a prompted action in the movement phase (or is it restricted to the 2BW straight forward/back available to any UG that Skirmishes/Runs Away)?

Richard

Simon Meg-Meister

Ah yes.
It can choose to stand and then has not made an action to is free to move.

S
Rolling Skulls in the land or Purple

Lanceflint

That's good, because that's what I have always played in the rare occasions it happens.
A bit of clarification would help though.
Lance.

nikgaukroger

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Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on October 22, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
My intent is actually as written:  they make a response. 

I felt the threat of heavies is enough to drive them some distance away. And in reality the sequencing is all simultaneous - the interceptor doesn't really get to move first.

The only difference from an intercept or countercharge is that the path of charge has changed a interceptors are in the way so tit may not go within 1BW.  So they may not be able to shoot as part of it.

Si


As charge responses are decided and actioned after countercharges and intercepts in the move sequence I suggest it would be a useful clarification to say that the response is based on where the units were, and who was a target of the charge, at the point that the charge is declared i.e. 2.2 and 2.3 in the sequence (which I believe is your intention) as at the point where the decision is made, 2.5 in the sequence, a unit may no longer be contactable due to a countercharge or intercept 2.4 in the sequence (hence RJC's question).

I will do so.  The rules say "charged by", nothing about making contact  ;)
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marshalney2000

I agree with you, Nik. Loved your multiple paragraph references. Sounds like you are just the man to explain the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

AntiokosIII

Quote from: marshalney2000 on October 24, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
I agree with you, Nik. Loved your multiple paragraph references. Sounds like you are just the man to explain the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

@Marshalney- this is likely accurate, but a cruel thing to say nevertheless!
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marshalney2000

I could have been more hurtful and called him the MEG Jacob Rees Mogg but that would be just going too far.