Quote from: accard on July 05, 2019, 02:22:24 AM
Removing the cancellation of melee expert would devalue cataphracts slightly - are they considered underpointed as well?

Hardly.

Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on July 04, 2019, 07:09:32 PM
I do have them as slightly under-pointed or perhaps we should take away the cancellation of melee expert.
Just leaving foot long sticks keeping mtd. melee experts at bay?

I'd just look at the points.

Could be quite a few points.

After some thought, I would be tempted t0 leave cost of mounted long spear the same but would rather remove the ability to use the weapon in terrain and also the cancellation of mounted melee expert.this would leave them less effective against other mounted but not make the cost of cataphracts etc prohibitively high.
This is simple and restores the balance with other mounted.

The catafract cost point is a good one - however, the comments on the ArmHrs topic impact on that so may need referring to each other depending on what comes of that.

FWIW I did not see a single unit of LS Cav at Skulls. They are hardly a major issue. I do not think any change at all is warranted here. Cancelling out ME balances out the disparity between CL and LS at impact, where the fight is often decided anyway; one skull or Shatter at impact is often decisive.

Long spear could do with a small bump in cost but close order cavalry should drop by a fair bit. They are a lot worse than loose and have no redeeming features. I don't think that long spear should change I think it gives an interesting point of difference and will mean another rule change. Cataphracts certainly aren't dominating the battlefield!!

Quote from: AntiokosIII on July 05, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
FWIW I did not see a single unit of LS Cav at Skulls. They are hardly a major issue. I do not think any change at all is warranted here. Cancelling out ME balances out the disparity between CL and LS at impact, where the fight is often decided anyway; one skull or Shatter at impact is often decisive.

There were eight units of them in one army!!

Quote from: AntiokosIII on July 05, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
FWIW I did not see a single unit of LS Cav at Skulls. They are hardly a major issue. I do not think any change at all is warranted here. Cancelling out ME balances out the disparity between CL and LS at impact, where the fight is often decided anyway; one skull or Shatter at impact is often decisive.

If you have average protected long spear cavalry in three ranks then you can easily ride the impact. Thereafter the advantage switches to the long spear cavalry.

Quote from: marshalney2000 on July 05, 2019, 04:07:55 PM

Quote from: AntiokosIII on July 05, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
FWIW I did not see a single unit of LS Cav at Skulls. They are hardly a major issue. I do not think any change at all is warranted here. Cancelling out ME balances out the disparity between CL and LS at impact, where the fight is often decided anyway; one skull or Shatter at impact is often decisive.

There were eight units of them in one army!!

Yup, all in just ONE army - not too many elsewhere. Suggests they aren't a too obvious super troop otherwise theyou would be more common.

I think to a degree we're seeing the all too common over reaction to a clever army choice taking people by surprise.

Robin had them too

Is the volume of long spear cavalry at Daventry of any relevance. The attributes of the troop type and it's value are either right or wrong. Earlier you yourself were supporting some changes.

Yes, but how do I actually beat them? 

Quote from: marshalney2000 on July 05, 2019, 07:36:40 PM
Is the volume of long spear cavalry at Daventry of any relevance.

None at all. Sort of my point really.

Quote from: mad lemmey on July 05, 2019, 08:01:06 PM
Yes, but how do I actually beat them? 

Play better than you did against Hunter