Tournament etiquette

Started by Raiderd, April 25, 2019, 10:46:12 PM

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Raiderd

At the British tournaments Is there an exchange of lists at the beginning of the game ?

steads

No.
We are moving to checking each others list at the END of the first game. Just to make sure you are using the version that was checked.... rather than one of the umpteen that you tried out on the way to the perfect Legal list!!
HTH
SdS

Hunter

Happy to do that at Skulls - at least it will give my opponents a laugh!
HH
Dishonour before defeat!

AntiokosIII

In our tourney this past weekend, I declined to review anyone's list, particularly that of the guy who thrashed me 15-0. In the first place, I know all the players, and none of them are remotely dishonest. If there is an error, it's an honest one. In the extremely unlikely event of an error, I have to admit I'd rather not know.
Miniature Wargaming is the only completely honorable form of warfare ever invented by man.

Raiderd

I wanted to know if there was a consensus as to how tournaments were started as regards to lists because I've seen it done both ways in the states. Not accusing anyone of dishonesty or underhandedness, just was curious so we could be consistent with how tournaments are run across the pond.

Simon Meg-Meister

I am always happy to go with personal preference.
Nothing too onerous.
At the end of the day this is a fun hobby not life and death.

S

PS Will get mine checked by opponent as a request as I know i have cocked up once and wold rather fix it early than end up feeling a MeG Meister Muppet.
Rolling Skulls in the land or Purple

badhabum

Yes, but if you have a real flank march...it might be quite annoying to have to show your list to your opponent  8)

Now, I think that before deploying, one should at least tell what army exactly you face : greek mercenary of that time under that general ( if relevant ). You do not have to say if you have an ally, but at least specify what army exactly you use.

Exemple : some armies have hoplites but from a certain time they become pikemen ...so it is basically a different army !

Onurbm

#7
Well , none is expected to be all accurate all the time . I make genuine mistakes as many other do. I dont really care about surprise in a game flank march but i do care about good quality of the event and good relations with other players . A very subjective thing ok.

Suspect ? genuine mistake ? actual attempt to fool other players?  all those ideas spoiled some tournaments in DBM times and earlier ... That's one of the motives for my leaving some game circles ... Everyone  is responsible for his own behaviour. I share Simon's opinion and will have my list checked . No issue or mistrust there just working to enhance trust and good spirit of the game .

I happen to be one of the few around who can genuinely assert they are playig for mor than 1/2 a century and have seen some weirdish behaviour ... there is pretty little material stuff to be won/lost there but much immaterial in good relationship.

In France MEG comunity and FOG comunity before it happened to be more like a group of friendly partners than of competitors.
Some others  were not, so  i elected not to play their game.

I consider it worth to show my list as proposed in the decorum. this is part of making our activity a gentlemen's habit  ???
Bruno
La question n'est pas de savoir si nous aurons le temps mais bien , ce que nous allons faire avec le temps qui nous est imparti .
GANDALF

Raiderd


mad lemmey

Serious ettiquete point question:
If there is a choice of more than one in game snack, e.g. Jelly babies vs Wine Gums.
If provided by one player, it's easy, the opponent chooses,
What if both provide snacks, who decides?




List bounced...

lionheartrjc

Quite clearly, each player eats one snack from their offering (to prove it is not poisoned) before partaking of their opponent's snack offering.  Alternatively cancel the battle and engage in hand-to-hand combat as heroic generals should...

Richard

lionheartrjc

Alternatively - you offer drinks...

From The Court Jester (starring Danny Kaye)

The Vessel with the Pessel has the pellet that is poison and the Chalace from the Palace has the brew that is true.

But they broke the Chalace from the Palace...
The Flagon with the Dragon has the pellet that is poison and the Vessel with the Pessel has the brew that is true.

:)
Richard

badhabum

We offer drinks in Belgium, ask those who came at IWC  8)

mad lemmey

Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 25, 2019, 10:27:01 AM
Alternatively - you offer drinks...

From The Court Jester (starring Danny Kaye)

The Vessel with the Pessel has the pellet that is poison and the Chalace from the Palace has the brew that is true.

But they broke the Chalace from the Palace...
The Flagon with the Dragon has the pellet that is poison and the Vessel with the Pessel has the brew that is true.

:)
Richard
True, but what if this happens...
VIZZINI: So, it is down to you. And it is down to me.
The MAN IN BLACK nods and comes nearer.
VIZZINI: If you wish her dead, by all means keep moving forward.
VIZZINI pushes his long knife harder against BUTTERCUP's unprotected throat.
MAN IN BLACK: Let me explain...
VIZZINI: There's nothing to explain. You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.
MAN IN BLACK: Perhaps an arrangement can be reached.
VIZZINI: There will be no arrangement [pauses, deliberately] and you're killing her!
VIZZINI jabs with his long knife. BUTTERCUP gasps against the pain. The MAN IN BLACK stops quickly.
MAN IN BLACK: But if there can be no arrangement, then we are at an impasse.
VIZZINI: I'm afraid so -- I can't compete with you physically. And you're no match for my brains.
MAN IN BLACK: You're that smart?
VIZZINI: Let me put it this way: have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
MAN IN BLACK: Yes.
VIZZINI: Morons.
MAN IN BLACK: Really? In that case, I challenge you to a battle of wits.
VIZZINI: For the Princess?
The MAN IN BLACK nods.
VIZZINI: To the death?
The MAN IN BLACK nods.
VIZZINI: I accept.
MAN IN BLACK: Good. Then pour the wine.
VIZZINI fills the goblets with wine. The MAN IN BLACK pulls a small packet from his clothing and hands it to VIZZINI.
MAN IN BLACK: Inhale this, but do not touch.
VIZZINI: I smell nothing.
MAN IN BLACK: [Takes the packet back] What you do not smell is called Iocaine powder. It is odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly in liquid, and is among the more deadlier poisons known to man.
VIZZINI: Hmm.
VIZZINI watches as the MAN IN BLACK takes the goblets, turns his back. A moment later, he turns again, faces VIZZINI, drops the Iocaine packet. It is now empty. The MAN IN BLACK rotates the goblets in a little shell game maneuver then puts one glass in front of VIZZINI and the other in front of himself.
MAN IN BLACK: All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead.
VIZZINI: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's? [pauses to study the MAN IN BLACK] Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK: You've made your decision then?
VIZZINI: Not remotely. Because iocaine comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
MAN IN BLACK: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
VIZZINI: Wait till I get going! Where was I?
MAN IN BLACK: Australia.
VIZZINI: Yes -- Australia, and you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK: [beginning nervousness] You're just stalling now.
VIZZINI: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong. So, you could have put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard which means you must have studied. And in studying, you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK: [nervously] You're trying to trick me into giving away something -- it won't work --
VIZZINI: [triumphant] It has worked -- you've given everything away -- I know where the poison is.
MAN IN BLACK: [fool's courage] Then make your choice.
VIZZINI: I will. And I choose [stops suddenly and points at something behind the Man in Black] what in the world can that be?
MAN IN BLACK: [Turns, looks] What? Where? I don't see anything.
VIZZINI quickly switches the goblets while the MAN IN BLACK has his head turned.
VIZZINI: Oh, well, I-I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.
The MAN IN BLACK turns to face him again. VIZZINI starts to laugh.
MAN IN BLACK: What's so funny?
VIZZINI: I'll tell you in a minute. First, let's drink -- me from my glass, and you from yours.
And he picks up his goblet. The MAN IN BLACK picks up the one in front of him. As they both start to drink, VIZZINI hesitates a moment. Allowing the MAN IN BLACK to drink first, he swallows his wine.
MAN IN BLACK: You guessed wrong.
VIZZINI: [roaring with laughter] You only think I guessed wrong... [louder now] ...that's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned. Ha-ha, you fool.
The MAN IN BLACK sits silently.
VIZZINI: You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!Ahahahaha, ahahahaha, ahahaha--
thud *
VIZZINI laughs and roars and cackles and whoops and is in all ways quite cheery until he falls over dead. The MAN IN BLACK steps past his corpse, taking the blindfold and bindings off BUTTERCUP, who notices VIZZINI lying dead. The MAN IN BLACK pulls her to her feet.
BUTTERCUP: Who are you?
MAN IN BLACK: I am no one to be trifled with, that is all you ever need know.
The MAN IN BLACK leads her off the mountain path into untraveled terrain.
BUTTERCUP: [Glances back toward the fallen VIZZINI] To think -- all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.
MAN IN BLACK: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to Iocaine powder.
List bounced...

Simon Meg-Meister

Rolling Skulls in the land or Purple