Cantabrian - is it really needed?

Started by nikgaukroger, December 05, 2025, 08:05:01 AM

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badhabum

Tribal horse archers are a special case but are parthians tribal horse archers ? Sassanian skirmishing cavalry "tribal" or not

That will be another debate. Is it worth it I do not know . Stability and testing V2026 are already something to consider without mudying our toughts further  :)

But I think cantabrian still has some use for fun, diversity and it's been played so long that it's not a problem

Manzikert

Quote from: badhabum on December 16, 2025, 09:41:00 AMSo cantabrian is used "only" by skirmishing cavalry . A combat shy AV tug with cantabrian would cost 69 points if you take it skilled 86 points.

Cantabrian enhance the possibility to fail skirmishing far enough, even when running away but is 17 points cheaper than skilled .


Badhabum makes an excellent point about the cost. To add a bit of context a Flexible, unprotected, skilled cavalry TuG is 129 points per head. But they only need to be 2 ranks deep to shoot at full effect, so per file of full effect shooting the TuG is 258 points and the skilled SuG is ... 258 points.

Obviously SuGs have some advantages over TuGs; faster, more maneuverable, a degree of ranged protection, a bit more scouting, etc. But IMO the additional breakpoint alone is enough to make the TuG a better pick for the cost (not even accounting for the other advantages of a TuG).

Given that, I think the existence of the 'in between' category of Cantabrian, which gives up some of the SuG advantages but is significantly cheaper (207 points per shooting file), is a good option to have.