Quote from: LawrenceG on March 19, 2025, 10:15:14 AM
For a general on a round base, you would have to mark 4 points at 90 degree intervals around the base. You would have to move one of these points into contact with the centre point of the file's front or rear edge.

OR you could rebase them so they comply with the rules as written.

though the intro part of the rules says a round base is acceptable.

Quote from: LawrenceG on March 19, 2025, 10:15:14 AM
For a general on a round base, you would have to mark 4 points at 90 degree intervals around the base. You would have to move one of these points into contact with the centre point of the file's front or rear edge.

OR you could rebase them so they comply with the rules as written.

NOWHERE does it say this in the rules. 

A general can be on a round base.  To align with the front or rear the round base merely has to touch the centre point of the front or rear edge of the file.  (Slightly less distance may be required than on a square base).  Measuring the command range is taken from the base (slightly less distance may be than on a square base).  The two effects would tend to cancel out and are pretty minor.

I REFER BACK TO MY EARLIER COMMENT - relax people and play the game.

Richard

The only bit of the original question that hasn't been answered (I think) is whether generals can do a half base shift to align into position. The text for half base shift says "all moves" rather than "all moving UGs" (or similar words). So I think that Generals can do that shift - which would often slightly extend their movement range when joining an UG.

Colour me surprised! (I would have seen that as very cheese-y if someone had done that to me)

UNIVERSAL HALF BASE SHIFT

4.C:1. All moves (prompted and outcomes) may always include up to a ½ BW shift sideways to a) move around friends, b) align or join to friends to make a block or supporting file, c) move
around any type of terrain, d) avoid a table edge or, e) avoid non-charging enemy if doing a break off, run away or skirmish.

A general is not joining friends to make a block or supporting file so b) does not count.  So a general cannot use a universal half base shift (as I have said previously in this discussion).

Richard
 

Sorry, I missed you saying that, apologies. Must say that feels like the more sensible conclusion

time to update the claries, and perhaps the PDF edition with the claries?

Quote from: Jilu on March 20, 2025, 09:39:03 AM
time to update the claries, and perhaps the PDF edition with the claries?

I agree. As I wrote earlier but it seem to have disappeared , some people will always ask the referee : where is it written ? In 10 days I have been asked that question twice, once at Athens, once at Chanier

Quote from: badhabum on March 19, 2025, 10:45:51 AM


Why not just allow for simplicity and nice dioramas  and adapt ?

We have let people use round bases for years . We can stick to the rules but should have reacted sooner

A round base would fit within a square base of side equal to the diameter, so you can keep your dioramas.

You just need some unambiguous way of defining the orientation of the notional square base if you don't physically represent it.

Quote from: badhabum on March 20, 2025, 09:56:49 AM

Quote from: Jilu on March 20, 2025, 09:39:03 AM
time to update the claries, and perhaps the PDF edition with the claries?

I agree. As I wrote earlier but it seem to have disappeared , some people will always ask the referee : where is it written ? In 10 days I have been asked that question twice, once at Athens, once at Chanier

I will even add that, at Chaniers this weekend, when I explained this part to my opponent and said it was explained to me during a game (at Rueil 2024) by RJC himself, my opponent (not the most gracious of all, to be honest) replied : "I do not care who it was said by, if it is not written black ink on white paper, it has zero value".

So it is a reality that some (and thankfully few) people will not read further than the rules, it is not a fantasy out of "overcreative minds".

Let me add to this that I will be the first to agree that the spirit of the rules should prevail, but that requires that the spirit is clear for everyone, which is not nearly as easy for non-English natives as one might think at first glance. Many such people understand English correctly but lack the ability to grasp the fine print (and they know that as well!), which hampers their ability to read through the printed material. This is not a criticism of the people who wrote the rules either, these sorts of miscommunications are as inevitable as the heat death of the universe. Therefore, it is not incomprehensible that they will cling to the written letter as that is something where they can be as sure as anything that they have it correctly, with as little interpretation as possible.

So thank you to Richard for this much needed (at least on the continent) clarification, and I second Jilu in thinking it would help to add it to the claries.

Best,
Antoine

Quote from: LawrenceG on March 20, 2025, 10:17:18 AM

Quote from: badhabum on March 19, 2025, 10:45:51 AM


Why not just allow for simplicity and nice dioramas  and adapt ?

We have let people use round bases for years . We can stick to the rules but should have reacted sooner

A round base would fit within a square base of side equal to the diameter, so you can keep your dioramas.

You just need some unambiguous way of defining the orientation of the notional square base if you don't physically represent it.

It is not necessary to define the orientation of a general on a round base as I have previously indicated.

Richard