This is an old debate but there was a discussion so perhaps we will need to have a question answered : M6 states 2 BW directly ahead, contract 1 or 2 BW behind, no wheels allowed.

If I read it as a sequence and also if I go back to 2019 when Simon wrote : "  "Contraction is taken at the end of the move, and may not be done if the contracting files are in the Close Proximity Zone of enemy." from https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=376.15   I would say first move after contract

But a player was of a different opinion : the M6 move does not define the order of things, only that the unit moves at least 2 BW ahead and may contract not that you move first and contract after ..so what is it ?

The PDF rules do not provide any clear answer

Actually m6 can be done only if you are 2bw or more from opponent so the close proximity area shouldn't be a concern

Proximity of the enemy was not the issue this time. Still far away. Point of discussion was the order, which was relevant to be able to manoeuvre a tug trough a narrow gap between two friendly tugs.

Order is not an issue.  As long as the move finishes legally and the gap between the TuGs is sufficient fot the front edge of the moving TuG there is no problem, passing through a friend as part of the move is okay.  Think wheeling a TuG out of a line of TuGs as another example.   

Richard

Thank you

Quote from: lionheartrjc on July 14, 2024, 09:34:31 PM
Order is not an issue.  As long as the move finishes legally and the gap between the TuGs is sufficient fot the front edge of the moving TuG there is no problem, passing through a friend as part of the move is okay.  Think wheeling a TuG out of a line of TuGs as another example.   

Richard

Thanks Richard. That's the clear answer I needed!

Ok, so it means that Simon claries page 3 isn't valid anymore, right?



M6 Advance and contract
Adjustment to stop cheesy contractions and bypasses when close to enemy.  Add to notes: "Contraction is taken at the end of the move, and may not be done if the contracting files are in the Close Proximity Zone of enemy."  Note this is in movement phase only so if a contraction is NECESSARY to make contact in the charge phase, then it is allowed.

This clarification is not valid.

Richard

Quote from: lionheartrjc on July 16, 2024, 02:21:15 PM
This clarification is not valid.

Richard

Pre-Compendium I believe and not in the Compendium clarries. Tempus fugit.

Quote from: nikgaukroger on July 16, 2024, 03:06:32 PM

Quote from: lionheartrjc on July 16, 2024, 02:21:15 PM
This clarification is not valid.

Richard

Pre-Compendium I believe and not in the Compendium clarries. Tempus fugit.

Hi,

I thought we play "post compendium" and LULU Book 7.3 page 47 of the rules seems to be clear to read.

Kind regards.

Gilles "this message will selfdestroy after reading ;-)"

Ok what people missed in my questioning was the order of things : contraction before or after or when you want .

The answer is pretty clear now : when you want

For some unknown reason some people focused on the 2 BW distance from the enemy ..that was NOT the question    or if you prefer the clarification asked