It's clear that to enable a possible charge to happen, we may move a skirmishers or flexible in SK formation out of the path of the charge .

But the question is : may the moving player use his white move to move his SUG in shooting range of a target that was NOT in charge range before that.

It happened quite easily as a mounted shooty SK just moved forward to make room for a potential charge. It moved forward and pivoted yo be able to shoot at a TUG .

We found nothing that prohibits it as it was a regular white move ...but some might say a cheesy white move 

Yup, just a white move with no other resrictions.

Yep, I meandered a ug of skirmishers behind an enemy tug and then charged it with the revealed tug, it now couldnt run away.

Quite interesting use of skirmishers. Not sure it is what was intended but interesting indeed

Quote from: badhabum on November 21, 2023, 10:51:25 AM
Quite interesting use of skirmishers. Not sure it is what was intended but interesting indeed

Not only that, but also most surprising in regard of what that would translate on the battlefield ... I can already picture it : "My Khan, some skirmishers are behind us, the Guard is trapped ! There is nowhere to run, as we certainly cannot go through peasants." 

Kidding aside, it does look peculiar.

Best,
Antoine

Honestly I wonder if this should not be corrected as it allows for far more than clearing the way to enable a charge. So what was intended : clearing the way or manoeuvring to enable a good shot or block the ennemi ?

Now it's perhaps lost somewhere in all discussions, but pg 57, 5B does not specify that the displaced SUG may not move during the next mouvement phase ..so what's the answers to this ?

If a SUG has been moved to allow a charge, then the only subsequent prompted actions it can make are those like MF1 and MF2 moves that are specifically allowed to UGs that have made a prompted action; as apart from them an UG can only make a single prompted action per turn - Page 38 2 I.

So no one considers that the move described by Tarnowski contains a core of controversy?

Let me expand on my previous comment: if we are to consider MeG a realistic (as far as possible) description of a battle, then how does a move of some skirmishers stop a unit, let alone a TUG, from doing a skirmish/run away response? Is it to be considered likely that mounted troops will be hindered by such troops maneuvering?

This strikes me as too far fetched to be realistic, as the very least if the unit "blocked" is a TUG.

Best,
Antoine

Quote from: Princeps on November 21, 2023, 09:16:35 PM
So no one considers that the move described by Tarnowski contains a core of controversy?

Let me expand on my previous comment: if we are to consider MeG a realistic (as far as possible) description of a battle, then how does a move of some skirmishers stop a unit, let alone a TUG, from doing a skirmish/run away response? Is it to be considered likely that mounted troops will be hindered by such troops maneuvering?

This strikes me as too far fetched to be realistic, as the very least if the unit "blocked" is a TUG.

Best,
Antoine

I do not disagree at all, prior to making that move I discussed with the Umpire, Nik as it happens, and RJC , it was a legal move and as such I chose to do it. We all agreed the rule really should be more akin to 'must move away from the enemy ugs to be potentially charged or simpler, enemy sugs cant block movement of enemy tugs and must shift out of the way or some such similar rule. It was a blatant manipulation of the rules, also done because we'd discussed it on a podcast and this was a practical application of it.  It has been noted and will likely be discussed with the author.

Oh, I had not understood that, thank you Matt.

Let us wait and see then what comes out of it.

Best,
Antoine

Question, if a sug moved during the charge (even just to make space for a charge for another group) it does it forfeit its right to shoot during the shooting phase?

If a SUG makes a prompted move to allow a charge it can shoot afterwards. It can if it is displaced by a charge move as well.

Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 21, 2023, 08:17:44 PM
If a SUG has been moved to allow a charge, then the only subsequent prompted actions it can make are those like MF1 and MF2 moves that are specifically allowed to UGs that have made a prompted action; as apart from them an UG can only make a single prompted action per turn - Page 38 2 I.

I knew it was somewhere but overlooked it

Thank you

No problem. There have been so many times when I have looked for something I know is there and failed to find it - even with index, word search, etc.