These two things came up. We were uncertain we ruled 'em correct, so I'm posting 'em.

(1) Stand A is missile armed. Has no direct frontal opponent, but fought as an overlap last turn. Stand 1 charges Stand A. May Stand A shoot Stand 1 on the way in? We said yes, after looking at the rules, but were uncertain.

(2) Stand B is in combat with STand 2. Stand B is joined by a general who goes into front rank combat. In a valiant display of supreme die-rolling skill, a skull is rolled, and Stand B no longer has an enemy to front. Is the general now free to move away, or is he still considered to be in combat as an overlap? We thought he was free to go.

Thank you, O Wise Ones!

(1) yes
(2) has to be with a file so moves to an adjacent file (may not fight again).

Si

Si,

I think you have misunderstood question 2).  The file is not destroyed, the opposing file has been destroyed.  My understanding is a general fighting in a supporting file is still fighting.  It is really can you switch files without taking a KaB test (the argument being you are still fighting and hence haven't shown any cowardice)?

Richard read my question correctly. The general joins Stand B, and in combat B kills its opponent. B is still in overlap support. May the general move to the stand in combat? May the general move away from the unit altogether without a KAB? That's the question. If the answer in 'no without a KAB', does the overlap count the general'+1 as if he was fighting?

In response to the second part, yes a general can count +1 for a supporting file.  That is common practice in UK competitions.
As to whether you can switch files, I am not sure, I haven't seen anyone do it.

Richard

Sorry yes quite right I had misunderstood which file was completely destroyed. 

So to cover all options correctly:
1. If opposing file is gone then general stays where he is and fight thereafter in a supporting file, so will often make that better and without any risk to himselof.
2. If his file is destroyed, and he survives, he has to rejoin a file next door - but cannot fight again of course.
3. If he wants to move file in a fight he has to pay a normal move for a general - but if with same UG and put back into combat there is no KaB.
4. If he wants to move entirely out of combat - even if staying with the same UG - there is a "snivelling little coward" KaB test, and of course the cost of the move.

Si

Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on April 02, 2019, 07:46:54 AM
Sorry yes quite right I had misunderstood which file was completely destroyed. 

So to cover all options correctly:
1. If opposing file is gone then general stays where he is and fight thereafter in a supporting file, so will often make that better and without any risk to himselof.
2. If his file is destroyed, and he survives, he has to rejoin a file next door - but cannot fight again of course.
3. If he wants to move file in a fight he has to pay a normal move for a general - but if with same UG and put back into combat there is no KaB.
4. If he wants to move entirely out of combat - even if staying with the same UG - there is a "snivelling little coward" KaB test, and of course the cost of the move.

Si

This is a great summary. Would be excellent to include it in v2 with Generals.

So we got it partially wrong. Live and learn! I agree with Dru, the second explanation was very clear and answers a couple of questions I've had in the past as well. Thanks!

What about (as happened yesterday) if general's file destroys the opposing file and thereafter his file is not a supporting file either (IE nobody to fight at all) - at that point we assumed he's no longer in combat, since everyone has been killed

"2. If his file is destroyed, and he survives, he has to rejoin a file next door - but cannot fight again of course."

clarries 5.0 says otherwise in generals - movement and displacement

I'll check that clarry next week.

Si

Quote from: stuuk on April 02, 2019, 07:53:20 PM
What about (as happened yesterday) if general's file destroys the opposing file and thereafter his file is not a supporting file either (IE nobody to fight at all) - at that point we assumed he's no longer in combat, since everyone has been killed

Then he is just a normal general back of the file again.

Quote3. If he wants to move file in a fight he has to pay a normal move for a general - but if with same UG and put back into combat there is no KaB.

But what if the file is still in combat as  a supporting file ?

It was once ruled that in that specific case, moving the general was calling for a KAB as the coward did leave the melee ...

I think Si's reply makes it clear he can do so at the normal movement cost for a general and there is no KaB as he is not leaving the fight.

but

Quote. If opposing file is gone then general stays where he is and fight thereafter in a supporting file, so will often make that better and without any risk to himselof

At IWC it was explained by Si that if the general wanted to leave it would be a KAB so I think the precision should be more ...precise