In the Middle Sassanid army list there is an option to re-grade Asvaran types from Formed Loose SSp/Bow to Formed Close Armd Hrs/FArm Bow: "Upgrade armour on all Asvaran and Zhayedan with bow".

As I read the option, you may re-grade one type only and need not necessarily do both, e.g. re-grade Average Asvaran with Armd Hrs and leave the Superior Asvaran & Zhayedan as Formed Loose SSp/Bow, or vice versa. It does say "All or none", with separate categories for each type, but my opponent was unsure if this was the intention and is legal so I'm asking for clarity.

CdlT

It is for all of both the Average and Superior if you choose the regrade.

There are separate lines for each type as the stats and points are different

That makes little sense to me: the resources required to have everyone on an FArm Hrs would have been horrendous.

At present an All/none for both types isn't entirely clear: adding a line to notes would be useful to make it more so. Or change the box reading "All or none" to be larger and encompass both versions.

CdlT

Thought that the section header of "Upgrade armour on all Asvaran and Zhayedan with bow" was pretty clear personally - if you only upgraded some of them you wouldn't be complying with "all".

Except having two lines implies there is an option - does "all" refer to each sub-category of troops or to everything? Amending the ""All of none" box, to have a single "All or none" rather than one per troop type, would make things clear.

CdlT

All means all.

Richard

Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 06, 2022, 06:43:14 AM
All means all.

Richard

In that case, the "none" option is redundant.

Even if all does mean all, it's not entirely clear that "all asavaran and zhayedan with bow" is referring to both troop types "asavaran and zhayedan" and "asavaran".

It's probably possible to work out the intended meaning without knowing it in advance if you are completely free of motivated reasoning, but what wargamer designing his own list is free of motivated reasoning?

It wouldn't be hard to make this mentally ergonomic in the next update. 

Lawrence G - The "or none" is not redundant - the ALL is in the header.

If you want to make CONSTRUCTIVE comments on how to make the text clearer then please do so.  If you just want to snipe and show how clever you are at picking faults in other peoples work then go and don't come back.

I will make a change to make it clearer for the 2023 lists.

Richard

Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 06, 2022, 11:10:27 AM

If you want to make CONSTRUCTIVE comments on how to make the text clearer then please do so.

I will make a change to make it clearer for the 2023 lists.

Richard

Suggested revisions.

Change the troop name of the  "Asvaran" with bow to "Asvaran with bow"

Change header to:

Upgrade armour on both all "Asvaran with bow" and all "Asvaran and Zhayedan"

Add to the notes:

If the upgrade armour option is taken, it must be applied to  both all "Asvaran with bow" and all "Asvaran and Zhayedan".

Thank you.