So cav armies just default to the Magic Terrain. It's a no brainer for Loose Cav. Screws close foot and close horse.

Is it too broken? Too boring?

That it is called 'Magic Terrain' in the community is a sign?

Personally, I think it balances out cavalry.  Close foot/horse are too good otherwise.  It also balances flexibles (who can be loose in the terrain and close outside it).
I don't see it as broken; without it I would see the game as being more broken.

Richard

I hate it - cynically use it all the time with cavalry armies to screw up foot, game would be better without it IMO.

Quote from: nikgaukroger on March 16, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
I hate it - cynically use it all the time with cavalry armies to screw up foot, game would be better without it IMO.

I love it. It's too easy to stuff too much anti cav terrain on the board. This way you can block heavier terrain and get something useful down.

Mind you if Jason roles 5 sixes consecutively in terrain set up, it really doesn't matter.

"Let it go Ray, let it go!"

It does seem odd that we have terrain where cavalry is better than infantry.

Not aware of any other set of rules that has something like it.

Martin

Quote from: rayfredjohn on March 16, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
I love it. It's too easy to stuff too much anti cav terrain on the board. This way you can block heavier terrain and get something useful down.

If its too easy to block cavalry (IMO debatable) with terrain, then a plain open ground piece would, IMO, be better than the "magic cavalry terrain".

Quote from: nikgaukroger on March 16, 2019, 08:58:57 PM

Quote from: rayfredjohn on March 16, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
I love it. It's too easy to stuff too much anti cav terrain on the board. This way you can block heavier terrain and get something useful down.

If its too easy to block cavalry (IMO debatable) with terrain, then a plain open ground piece would, IMO, be better than the "magic cavalry terrain".

Agreed.

Quote from: rayfredjohn on March 16, 2019, 05:00:31 PM

Quote from: nikgaukroger on March 16, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
I hate it - cynically use it all the time with cavalry armies to screw up foot, game would be better without it IMO.

I love it. It's too easy to stuff too much anti cav terrain on the board. This way you can block heavier terrain and get something useful down.

Mind you if Jasmine roles 5 sixes consecutively it really doesn't matter.

"Let it go Ray, let it go!"

Although I question what this actually represents (how do foot spearmen standing still suddenly become useless against cavalry?) I'm with Ray and RJC, without it cavalry armies will be hard up against it if they lose the terrain roll. Either keep it or replace it with an 'open space' of the same size as a terrain pick.

I like the idea of it becoming open ground that takes the same space as a standard terrain pick.

Once terrain is all done, just remove it.

I haven't played cav heavy armies yet though, so don't fix it until I get to exploit it too. ta. 

Dru

I love cavalry armies but yes, uneven ground messing with close foot but not worrying cavalry is an anomaly. The fact that it is the go to terrain choice for any cavalry army indicates a problem.

Perhaps it should, like rivers, be a 'scenario only' terrain type? Or there could be a 'maximum of 1 selection' imposed. I'm aware of no historical example of a mounted army seeking out the broken ground for a fight with foot.

Martin

Quote from: Dru on March 16, 2019, 09:04:14 AM
So cav armies just default to the Magic Terrain. It's a no brainer for Loose Cav. Screws close foot and close horse.

Is it too broken? Too boring?

That it is called 'Magic Terrain' in the community is a sign?

Dru, when you start using cavalry armies you'll see why people choose it. If there is something that is broken it's river/coast, probably chosen by even more foot armies than uneven ground is by cavalry  If we take away uneven ground, maybe we should take away river/coast? How many battles were fought alongside a coast or impassable river?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - let's not take away terrain that benefits mounted and leave in terrain that every man and his dog chooses if he has a foot army. Talk about boring!!

In my game vs Jason at Stockport, the whole table was covered in the stuff, and my whole army was close order troops vs his mounted.
Would not have made a difference to the result, but it hurt!

Quote from: craig.w on March 17, 2019, 07:11:49 AM

Quote from: Dru on March 16, 2019, 09:04:14 AM
So cav armies just default to the Magic Terrain. It's a no brainer for Loose Cav. Screws close foot and close horse.

Is it too broken? Too boring?

That it is called 'Magic Terrain' in the community is a sign?

Dru, when you start using cavalry armies you'll see why people choose it. If there is something that is broken it's river/coast, probably chosen by even more foot armies than uneven ground is by cavalry  If we take away uneven ground, maybe we should take away river/coast? How many battles were fought alongside a coast or impassable river?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - let's not take away terrain that benefits mounted and leave in terrain that every man and his dog chooses if he has a foot army. Talk about boring!!

Agreed, happy for uneven to be fixed up but yes, coast should be much harder to get. Everyone will be happyI think if that is the case.

Quote from: craig.w on March 17, 2019, 07:11:49 AM

Quote from: Dru on March 16, 2019, 09:04:14 AM
So cav armies just default to the Magic Terrain. It's a no brainer for Loose Cav. Screws close foot and close horse.

Is it too broken? Too boring?

That it is called 'Magic Terrain' in the community is a sign?

Dru, when you start using cavalry armies you'll see why people choose it. If there is something that is broken it's river/coast, probably chosen by even more foot armies than uneven ground is by cavalry  If we take away uneven ground, maybe we should take away river/coast? How many battles were fought alongside a coast or impassable river?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - let's not take away terrain that benefits mounted and leave in terrain that every man and his dog chooses if he has a foot army. Talk about boring!!

Coasts may be over-represented but are far from unknown to historical battles. Rough terrain that significantly favours mounted over foot is, as the name 'magic terrain' suggests, a fantasy.

Martin