Question came up in a game yesterday.

The rules are silent on the matter.  My view (which I hadn't really challenged until yesterday) was yes you can - other characteristics (notably dismountable) allow you to deploy that way.  However, the fact that the rules don't say you can implies that you can't. 

At the same time I realised that you can't switch to (or from) Cantabrian as part of a tuG a SuG move - something I hadn't noticed until yesterday - it has to be part of a prompted action - so okay if you do it as part of a group move, but not as a simple tug a SuG.

I would like to have clarity in time for Ice and Fire.

Richard

I have interpreted it as you cannot on the basis of the line in the characteristic that talks about going into and out of Cantabrian as part of a move.

However, because as you say the rules are actually silent, this is my interpretation.

But you knew this 

As we're both down for umpiring at Ice & Fire it'd be useful to know so we can be consistent 

The intent is precisely as written expanded here with reasoning:

a) you can't deploy that way, but you can move into it as any move which was a move involving the SuG - so where I considered the cards had been spent on the SuG.
b) therefore not part of a TuG a SuG move as that is simply tagging along

So for instance, a hesitant ally will be stuck and not moving into "fighting formation' until it is back in the fight.  All deliberately as is.

Hope that gives the requested clarity for you both from an umpiring point of view.

Si

Quote from: lionheartrjc on January 20, 2022, 08:33:31 AM
Question came up in a game yesterday.

The rules are silent on the matter.  My view (which I hadn't really challenged until yesterday) was yes you can - other characteristics (notably dismountable) allow you to deploy that way.  However, the fact that the rules don't say you can implies that you can't. 

At the same time I realised that you can't switch to (or from) Cantabrian as part of a tuG a SuG move - something I hadn't noticed until yesterday - it has to be part of a prompted action - so okay if you do it as part of a group move, but not as a simple tug a SuG.

I would like to have clarity in time for Ice and Fire.

Richard

Quote from: lionheartrjc on January 20, 2022, 08:33:31 AM
Question came up in a game yesterday.

The rules are silent on the matter.  My view (which I hadn't really challenged until yesterday) was yes you can - other characteristics (notably dismountable) allow you to deploy that way.  However, the fact that the rules don't say you can implies that you can't. 

At the same time I realised that you can't switch to (or from) Cantabrian as part of a tuG a SuG move - something I hadn't noticed until yesterday - it has to be part of a prompted action - so okay if you do it as part of a group move, but not as a simple tug a SuG.

I would like to have clarity in time for Ice and Fire.

Richard

Who knew you'd learn two things in a game with Ray "I've never read the rules" Duggins

Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on January 20, 2022, 11:52:21 AM
The intent is precisely as written expanded here with reasoning:

a) you can't deploy that way, but you can move into it as any move which was a move involving the SuG - so where I considered the cards had been spent on the SuG.
b) therefore not part of a TuG a SuG move as that is simply tagging along

FWIW, I would have reasoned from (a) that a TuG a SuG move was a "move involving the SuG" and come to the conclusion opposite to (b).