Quote from: marshalney2000 on September 16, 2021, 12:10:00 PM
Sorry Hunter but it grates with me. Light horse etc did not clear other skirmishers with a wild all out charge that led to their own destruction.
It means if your long spear Cavalry are in skirmish then they cannot clear even the worst skirmishers from their front.

a flexible TUG in SUG formation is never destroyed under these SUG rules so the above does not make much sense. A flexed TUG as a SUG would charge in and fight all be it while giving a way the fighting sug bonus to the enemy TUG

Yes I am aware a flexible unit is not destroyed but the factors against them are horrendous.

Depends on what you hit.

Quote from: marshalney2000 on September 16, 2021, 12:26:57 PM
It seems strange that we demand that a skirmishing unit may have to destroy itself to drive of other skirmishers while on the other hand a large TUG cannot push back a small unit of skirmishers in its second move of a double move.
In the first case, they in reality would not destroy them selves whilein the second they would definitely stop. You can just hear Alexander shouting, "Sorry lads have a breather until next turn as those poor slingers cannot be pushed back again."
If the objective is to stop SUGs slowing down TUG's then the second situation above is the most detrimental to that objective.

I suspect the inability to push back on a second move is intended to reflect a more cautious advance when under fire.

Well not all troops in skirmish need to have missile weapons. In any case is the caution not reflected by slows.

Quote from: LawrenceG on September 17, 2021, 02:05:51 PM
I suspect the inability to push back on a second move is intended to reflect a more cautious advance when under fire.

Suspect it is actually for game balance.

Quote from: marshalney2000 on September 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Well not all troops in skirmish need to have missile weapons. In any case is the caution not reflected by slows.

Slows represent the additional caution from more effective shooting.

No second move is the difference between a brisk walk when there is no danger at all and tactical movement when in close proximity to people who might  actually try to kill you, even if they are going to rapidly retire to a safe distance afterwards.

Whether that was the original motivation, or merely rationalisation of a game-balancing mechanism, the rule is historically plausible.