Looking at the exemples pg 132 YES they may

Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on June 21, 2020, 04:54:15 PM

Quote from: lionheartrjc on June 21, 2020, 04:32:32 PM
What question am I missing? 

Page 132 9.4 M 2.1 is only allowed in the movement phase to initiate a melee combat so cannot be used to align in the charge phase.

Aligning when in combat is only allowed up to but not including 1BW, so if you are in corner-to-corner contact only, you cannot use this to align.

Richard

Is correct and the intent.

That section on page 132 is very specific.  It is about creating an ongoing melee when already too close to ever charge by an exception to normal rules.  It has no relation to anything else in the rules therefore and is a specific set of exception - note MF1 move wouldn't normally be allowed either as technically not in combat at the time.  Once it being under its own section M. 

It just gives three specific ways to crate a melee from two TuGs that are so close that it would be quite viable to do so if anybody wanted to to do so. Diagram and section titles makes it very clear I believe.  Don't think to hard beyond what is there.

Si

PS And yes I could have maybe found another word that align (1 base slide) for the movement to the left.  But the best of rule lawyers out there are impossible to fully foil 

Sorry I am lost in translation

Quoteso if you are in corner-to-corner contact only, you cannot use this to align

So what aboutpg 132 M 2.1 where an UG is in front corner only contact with an enemy front corner :

- It may align 1 BW in movement to create a single base width frontal melee combat blablabla

And the exemples do seem clear so I am now lost with  the "you cannot use this to align" ?

Quote from: Rino on September 12, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
Hi Richard,

Thanks for your answer.

Should the situation be slightly different.

B in that case isn't fighting as overlap.
Could it do the M3 move to come on the flank on G?

Yes, the difference being it is not in combat.

Richard

Looks like I have learnt something  new. Damn, that means now I have to forget something.

So just confirming that if B was up to 1 BW further forward then it couldn't make an M9 turn move on to the flank of G, as it is already in a position to fight as an overlap?

Yes.

Quote from: badhabum on September 12, 2021, 05:16:45 PM

Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on June 21, 2020, 04:54:15 PM

Quote from: lionheartrjc on June 21, 2020, 04:32:32 PM
What question am I missing? 

Page 132 9.4 M 2.1 is only allowed in the movement phase to initiate a melee combat so cannot be used to align in the charge phase.

Aligning when in combat is only allowed up to but not including 1BW, so if you are in corner-to-corner contact only, you cannot use this to align.

Richard

Is correct and the intent.

That section on page 132 is very specific.  It is about creating an ongoing melee when already too close to ever charge by an exception to normal rules.  It has no relation to anything else in the rules therefore and is a specific set of exception - note MF1 move wouldn't normally be allowed either as technically not in combat at the time.  Once it being under its own section M. 

It just gives three specific ways to crate a melee from two TuGs that are so close that it would be quite viable to do so if anybody wanted to to do so. Diagram and section titles makes it very clear I believe.  Don't think to hard beyond what is there.

Si

PS And yes I could have maybe found another word that align (1 base slide) for the movement to the left.  But the best of rule lawyers out there are impossible to fully foil 

Sorry I am lost in translation

Quoteso if you are in corner-to-corner contact only, you cannot use this to align

So what aboutpg 132 M 2.1 where an UG is in front corner only contact with an enemy front corner :

- It may align 1 BW in movement to create a single base width frontal melee combat blablabla

And the exemples do seem clear so I am now lost with  the "you cannot use this to align" ?

Hi, try this

Richard states that 'Aligning when in combat is only allowed up to but not including 1BW, so if you are in corner-to-corner contact only, you cannot use this to align.'

Simon then says this 'Is correct and the intent.' but then goes on to say that section on p132 is an exception to the normal rules to cover a very specific set of situations.

so if you meet the criteria on p132 you CAN align, in the alignment section of the movement phase, a full base width to create a combat as its an exception to the normal align rules

at least that is my understanding of all of the above.

Ok I think I got it