Quote from: stuuk on July 22, 2020, 08:15:35 PM
"So Dave's original post"

>Just wondering as twice Simon has referred to me as Dave, not that it's a bad name or anything all we all know at least one Dave, right?
>And of course there's hello Dave from the league, but yeah.. my name isn't Dave..

No idea why I did that Stuuk. 

Just came back to this as I downloaded the errata and saw the thing about not being engaged if it's not frontal.

I did re-read the combat section about fihting to the side but I still can't make it work out.
If two pike blocks walk past one another, neither of them engaged to the front then the combat section seems to say they can fight with one die per depth of the file.
So for example a 4-deep file standing next to a 4-deep file with no frontal contact would roll 4 dice.
That is of course mental bearing in mind how it woudl work to the front, but I do not see in the rules anywhere telling me that isn't how it works.

If you are in side edge to side edge contact then there is no combat.

During the movement phase, either player can make a prompted action (M9) to turn 90 degrees and initiate the contact.  The other player can then respond with an MF2 action to turn bases in contact 90 degrees (if they don't they will count as being contacted in the flank).

Hopefully that makes it clear.

Sorry non-Dave.  .
Henceforth Stuuk only.

All these plus de nom are confusing .....

Si

"If you are in side edge to side edge contact then there is no combat."

That is indeed very clear - where does it say this?

Thanks, Dave.

Well as M 2.2 on page 132 says that where UGs are in side edge to side edge contact an M9 may be used to initiate combat it seems to me to be pretty obvious that there is no combat before such a move is made otherwise you wouldn't need to make the move to initiate combat.

Quote from: stuuk on October 08, 2020, 08:08:59 PM
"If you are in side edge to side edge contact then there is no combat."

That is indeed very clear - where does it say this?

Thanks, Dave.

You can only fight edge to edge as a supporting file.
So only then would there be combat.
The rules tell you what dice to roll.
There are no other dice ....

It what is says you do and can do, not what you don't, or it would be Avery very long book.

Si

Quote from: nikgaukroger on October 08, 2020, 08:29:00 PM
Well as M 2.2 on page 132 says that where UGs are in side edge to side edge contact an M9 may be used to initiate combat it seems to me to be pretty obvious that there is no combat before such a move is made otherwise you wouldn't need to make the move to initiate combat.

I agree that rule does the job well enough when there is not a combat already. But I did not find it when I needed it hence the query.
We had not played for some time and god only knows what we did - i think we had some kind of bizarre flank vs flank combat which didn't look right, feel right, or resolve properly.

Quote from: stuuk on October 09, 2020, 10:54:58 PM

Quote from: nikgaukroger on October 08, 2020, 08:29:00 PM
Well as M 2.2 on page 132 says that where UGs are in side edge to side edge contact an M9 may be used to initiate combat it seems to me to be pretty obvious that there is no combat before such a move is made otherwise you wouldn't need to make the move to initiate combat.

I agree that rule does the job well enough when there is not a combat already. But I did not find it when I needed it hence the query.
We had not played for some time and god only knows what we did - i think we had some kind of bizarre flank vs flank combat which didn't look right, feel right, or resolve properly.

Perhaps it would benefit from a "this is not a fight" diagram in the combat section.  I'll store future.

But all combat is "roll a dice per file against frontal opposition, adding supporting files if they exist".  In that scenario there are no files.  If you hit a flank you are a file and they are frontal opposition, front to front is obvious, side to side both files have no frontal opposition so no dice.  I'll at it to the Q&A.

Si