Reading a rather interesting book titled "Warfare in Inner Asian History 500 – 1800" which is throwing up a few things.

This list ends with the assassination of Emperor Yang in 618 CE, however, the armies that fought in the civil wars that led to the Tang dynasty would mainly be best represented by this list IMO - apart from Tang themselves, of course, who would be represented by the Tang China Northern list. As there were significant anti-Tang forces operating until at least 622 CE (supported by Turkish allies) and probably 623 CE I'd make this latter the actual end date of the Sui list.

Also in 620 CE a Sui successor state is set up in Dingxiang propped up by the Turks with its ruler taking the title King of Sui. In 621 CE it supplied 6,000 troops to a Turkish army which was 10,000 cavalry - so a Sui allied contingent for the GokTurks is needed I think; although I'd probably say that it would not need cavalry and if it took any just 1 TUG as it does not seem likely that they would have been able to field much mounted. This Sui successor lasted until 630 CE when the Tang destroyed it when campaigning against the Turks.

Until the Tang were properly established from 623 CE I think that the Northern list is the one that would represent their forces. The Central and Southern would start at that date as things settle down.

Additionally for the Tang Northern list I think there should be a cavalry only option - from 630 CE they sometimes used cavalry only forces when attacking into the steppe; for example in 630 CE one force was 10,000 cavalry with no infantry.

These changes will be incorporated into the 2021 lists.

Cool.

Also as mentioned last week I am not convinced that the Sui should have "Turkish" style cavalry - these are really a Tang thing - and that their cavalry should be a continuation of the Western Wei and Northern Zhou types. I will, however, look into it but if anyone else has any info it'd be useful 

Quote from: nikgaukroger on August 29, 2020, 01:39:03 PM
Also as mentioned last week I am not convinced that the Sui should have "Turkish" style cavalry - these are really a Tang thing - and that their cavalry should be a continuation of the Western Wei and Northern Zhou types. I will, however, look into it but if anyone else has any info it'd be useful 

Just a bump to see if anyone has any thoughts or information on this?