A minor but good change (though material for a few tug types I agree. We now have the stability we want so roll on.

I am tempted to say the Poles should be charge-only in the system. Another stream for that would be good. As we have charge only and shoot& charge we can cover all variants to get the right feel I am sure.

Si

Quote from: nikgaukroger on June 11, 2020, 10:36:38 AM
Certainly intended from what Simon has said and, IMO, a good thing.

OK - I can see that having a free Charge rather than forced gives the player a lot of options and that might be unhistorical

I think so. We have set the rules now for 5 years+.
I really can't think of anything new I would want in there right now.

So onwards and upwards to build a big community.
Going well so far despite Covid.
Should hit the shops in 2-3 weeks time as well.

Si

So Indian short spear first rank and Bowman 2nd and 3rd rank are subject to forced charge if some enemy tug come within 1bw...

Quote from: Rino on June 12, 2020, 12:22:05 PM
So Indian short spear first rank and Bowman 2nd and 3rd rank are subject to forced charge if some enemy tug come within 1bw...

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all it changes is that you have to anticipate, and play accordingly

Indeed, ands some interesting wrinkles that may allow skill to exploit 

Most importantly we have that stability for 5 years you have been asking for.  And in a beautiful package.  getting a lot of praise at present for it.  Well done all who helped it along!

Si

So do we agree :

Mixed units with second  or third rank "missile oriented"  may be subject to forced charges if

Dev Chargers:CL ...in the front rank and a target within 3 BW to the front
Spear, long spears, polearm to the front or anywhere in the unit and within 1 BW of the ennemy

Or is it a free charge
I ask because the discussion is ....very confusing indeed .

Forced charge but only if the DC, CL etc do not have shooting ability themselves  (not counting Integral Shooters or Charge only). I think in both cases it is anywhere in the unit (ie you could put the CL in the second rank if you were crazy enough and it would still be forced)

Correct, it doesn't say the CL/DC have to be in the front rank just that the TuG contains such bases for forced charge to apply.

Other mixed (i.e.part missile) units - such as those with LS, PA, etc. in the front rank are not subject to forced charge as they are Missile Focused; again no mention of the front rank in the rules. These will need to pay to charge unless they qualify under section C on page 118.

I thought we had decided missile focused was done by base not TUG. So a byzantine unit where some bases have LS, bow would not be forced but a chinese unit with front polearm, back crossbow would be?

On page 117 it talks about TUGs that are missile focused and not bases. It is the CL and DC part that talks about bases.

Aah, I think I'm getting it. So the bit earlier in the thread (from Rino and your reply) about Indian short spear/bow mixed tugs being impetuous at 1BW is not true?

Quote from: daveparish on June 19, 2020, 12:40:21 PM
Aah, I think I'm getting it. So the bit earlier in the thread (from Rino and your reply) about Indian short spear/bow mixed tugs being impetuous at 1BW is not true?

That's why I asked

Quote from: daveparish on June 19, 2020, 12:40:21 PM
Aah, I think I'm getting it. So the bit earlier in the thread (from Rino and your reply) about Indian short spear/bow mixed tugs being impetuous at 1BW is not true?

Think that might have been a bit of confusion from Rino as he quoted an old clarrie - pretty sure I've not said such mixed units get forced charges, if I did apologies for the error or if I wasn't clear