Hi,

I m going through the compendium.

Page 118 - free charge

I m searching for the the mention, as per mortem and Gloriam official rule change 2019 - forced charge that:
• Any UG with missile weapons does not have to Forced Charge (but may
Free Charge


But I don't find Any such thing in the compendium:
There  are mention of « missile focused TUG » - I still search the definition for that.
The drawing with the immortels mention prompted charge required... (Immortals have light spear besides bow if I recall right)

Well I m lost.

It has a tremendous impact On the way to play armies.
(Maya braves with shoot and charge unskilled javelin for instance)

I hope I just missed it.
Please kindly enlighten me.



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Quote from: Rino on June 07, 2020, 12:00:40 AM
Hi,

I m going through the compendium.

Page 118 - free charge

I m searching for the the mention, as per mortem and Gloriam official rule change 2019 - forced charge that:
• Any UG with missile weapons does not have to Forced Charge (but may
Free Charge


But I don't find Any such thing in the compendium:

I think what you had there was a slightly badly worded change and that the Compendium now says what was actually intended all along. (The "may" bit in the bit you quote meaning that there were some circumstances where a Free Charge may apply but it was not universal).

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There  are mention of « missile focused TUG » - I still search the definition for that.

Its defined in the Glossary which starts on page 212.

Switched to missile-focused with with a definition to clear up am few misunderstanding that were questioned (e.g. does it stop integral shooters charging as they are missile armed?).
No material change.

S

Sorry still not clear for me.

In the official change 2019 a Bowman tug within 1 bw of an enemy is entitled to free charge.
In the compendium can that bowman free charge or should he prompt charge?

Thanks for clarifying.

The impact is massive on all the unskilled and shoot and charge army.

Thx

Just use the Compendium wording that is nice and clear - don't confuse yourself with superseded material.

A bowman within 1 BW must pay a card to charge.

Basically in most circumstances in a game (IMO) a missile-focused troop type will have to pay to charge.

BTW I can see that it may look harsh on Unskilled shooters but it does fit the logic that if you have a "proper" missile classification then you are less inclined to charge and so need prompting - even if you turn out to be a bit rubbish at the shooting it is an important part of the troops doctrine.

Anyway, I'm sure Simon will chip in to confirm (or otherwise, but I hope not) that the rules say what he intends them to mean.

It's a great advantage when  you want your opponent to charge.  E.g. when you have integral shooters.

But note that having Integral Shooters does not make you Missile Focused - you need a missile capablity with Skilled, Experienced or Unskilled ability for that.

Yes completely as intended.  Gives us exactly the right response options. 

Missile focused means it is your preferred fighting technique before H-H.
Unskilled just means you are not very good at it.  Different.

Missile-focused introduced as a term to stop the confusion that people were paying to charge with integral shooters and I think charge-only as they are all "missile armed".

Definition is now very clear and in the glossary.

Si

The image above is about Battle chariots etc. ... so DC/CLs with bowmen were changed to not need to forced charge.  Missile armed troops otherwise have always had to pay to charge.  The Compendium has just tidied up those definitions.

All good to check in case we have slipped and error somewhere. SO explain which troop types you mean and what they could do and now what they can't do so I can check.

Infantry bowmen say have never had free charges. Never seen it played that way.  But I do recall a big discussion about battle chariots and charging lancers with missile weapons.  The redraft has aimed to capture those well with the missile-focused definition but in 240 pages we may have missed something even with 7 checkers.

Si

All triple checked and correct and as intended.
We wanted stability and now we have it 

I think there may have been some confusion in 2019 that a free charge was allowed with bowmen, but it has never been the case in the official amends and clarries and never been played that way to my knowledge. Apologies if some unforeseen ambiguity had some people playing it so, but never the intent.

Play as it is and we have the stability requested.

Si

What is the situation now for Polish Knights mixed with Mounted Crossbow? In this case, 1/3 to 1/2 of the bases are Charging Lancer with no missile weapon and the remainder are mtd. crossbow. Oh, and the crossbow have Shoot & Charge.

The UG will be missile focussed by the definition on page 217.

As I don't have the Compendium yet, I don't know what it means.

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Troops that have both a missile weapon and skilled, experienced or unskilled shooting. Therefore, the integral shooter characteristic alone does not count, nor does charge-only shooting as designed to shoot immediately before combat, rather than sustained shooting.