Better wording.

Also needs a comment on there that none tribal internal ally generals do not have to take the hill tribes troops, else up to 5 compulsory troops types

Beat me to it.

The southern ally is more specific than the northern ally, is that intentional.  Does the northern ally use of "spearmen" mean any spearmen whereas the southern ally specifies spearmen / best spearmen with no mention of the Cynan / Merioneth spearmen?

Thanks RJC.

Norse Irish allied continental is an interesting case.

Limit was the ships as much as anything else and with the allies on average on between 6 and 20 ships not likely to take the local dregs when space is at a premium onboard

Looking at using the Norse Irish as allies and was surprised the levies are compulsory.

Fine with a native force but I would presume as an allied warrior mercenary force this wouldn't count?

The local militia defending their homeland compared to a mercenary force in foreign service seems a little wierd..

Perhaps  note that compulsory levies are not compulsory in an allied contigent???

We I am certain a longbow was more effective than a earlier bow.

True that archery, both IRL and MeG rarely wins battles on its own

Any thoughts on Powerbow for skirmishing infantry?

For example, Welsh archers post 1200 are armed with longbow, yet the same chaps skirmishing are only considered bow when they have the same weapon.

Volume of arrows may be an argument but 9 base SuG vs 6 base TuG is the same number of figures and perhaps the same volume of arrows

Would be happy with either powerbow or skilled bow classification, always niggled me that Cretan archers are considered more dangerous that the equivalent troops equipped with a longbow.

Would even be happy with the option of unskilled powerbow just to gain the range

In the 2020 lists Cham was allowed Angkor allies but this disappeared in the 2021 lists with no mods to the list noted.

Cod this be put back so I can use my army as it was intended?

Thanks for the clary on wound / base..my bad, doing it from memory.

Being caught by the TuG would imply the TuG is charging the SuG not actually being a revealed target of the SuG charge, they have not caught them as such

As an example:

If a SuG declares a charge on another SuG and the opponent skirmishes away through a TuG and the TuG is in range and in the path of the declared charge

The SuG could not declare a charge on a TuG normally unless it is just a would away from breaking.

I cannot find a mention or mechanic for the SuG pulling up short.

Does the SuG die on contact with the TuG unless the TuG is 1 wound away from breaking or does a melee happen as normal, albeit at bad factors for the SuG with the combat bonuses for the TuG?

So does this mean the Nik Byz Skutari 8 strong cannot go 2 wide with  4 Longspear at the front and 4 bow behind, even at deployment?

Well, very difficult because of language to have original work to go from but "Medieval Khmer Society: The Life and Times of Jayavarman VII" by Paul Nietupski is very good and goes on about the fractious nature of the area and alliances between Cham and Khmer through the period.

The little available biodata about Jayavarman VII shows that he was the son of King Dharaṇīndravarman II (r. 1150–1160) and his wife Queen Śrī Jayarājacūḍāmaṇi. Jayavarman VII married Jayarājadevī, and after her death he married her sister Indradevī. Little else is known of Jayavarman VII's childhood and youth, but it is clear that he was in a privileged class, relatively wealthy, with political connections likely through his clan, and with significant military skill. It appears that he grew up in the Khmer empire, but spent much time in neighbouring Cham (Vietnam) lands. For their part, the Cham were at least as fragmented as the Khmer; Vickery has shown that like the Khmer there were several, if not many, small Cham kingdoms, some of which allied among themselves, with their Khmer neighbors, and evidently mercenary groups, in agreements made and broken over years for expected military, political, trade, and territorial advantages. This was the normal political process in medieval Cambodia. The scenario was one of running battles between different allied Khmer and Cham clan groups, who could and did shift alliances over time.

After Jayavarman VII's father passed away in 1160 and his clan member Yasovarman claimed the throne, Jayavarman VII (then about forty years old) served in the court. But around 1166, Tribhuvanādityavarman, evidently a court official, took the throne. Jayavarman VII left the Khmer capital, possibly going to Preah Khan in Kompong Svay (about 100 km east of Angkor) or perhaps to a Cham kingdom.5 For the next decade, until about 1177, there were more alliances and more battles between groups of allied Khmer and Cham. It is often said that in 1177 there was a unified Cham invasion of Khmer territory. Vickery and others refute this, and Vickery argues further that in this decade (1166–1176) the Khmer were in political turmoil and there was a series of raids and battles between the Cham and Khmer.6 He suggests that "... the real conquest of Angkor was by Jayavarman VII and his Cham allies–probably in the 1170s, at least before 1181–and that the subordination of central and southern Champa to him dated from that time."

In regard to the use of the wording mercenary groups, IMHO it refers to a full ally contingent fighting for gain rather than the western idea of mercenaries integral to a force.

Robin just trying to make them cheaper to get more in the army!

They were quite eager to fight when it came to the crunch

Still think the cavalry could be flexible when you consider Marcher Muntators and staves of the era are flexible (I do get it that the staves etc are charging lancer and cant evade so that enables them to if they are in the right formation but given that feign flight ability they now have access to is only useable by flexi cavalry or skirmishers so a pretty much pointless upgrade to the list imho)

Have a question though regarding the North / South allies.

States a Southern ally must have the compulsory spearmen and better spearmen but does not have to have the archers (and the opposite for a Northern ally)

Then goes on to say that the none compulsory troop can be taken but must be outnumbered 2:1 by the compulsory type.

I am guessing this mean in actual UG's rather than figure count or base count.

I only mentioning it as looking at a Northern Welsh internal ally with 2 x 8 Longbowmen and then taking 1 x 9 Best Spearmen.  That is a legal 2:1 by UG but not by base count...

The two regions were natural allies though as they shared a common religion when surrounded by hostile nations of different religions.

In the 8th Century A Cham Prince married a Khmer Princess.

Khmer and the Cham had had their differences over the centuries. They had coexisted in peace until around the 11th Cen­tury when it is believed that the Khmer tried to take control of Vi­jaya—now Quy Nhon—located halfway between Hue and Ho Chi Minh City. It was Champa's most im­portant maritime port at the time.

This led to nearly constant warfare until the 1220s. One Khmer faction would unite with another Cham kingdom to fight against other Khmer factions and Cham kingdoms, as shown on wall carvings of the Bayon temple at Ang­kor.

According to both Khmer and Cham inscriptions, King Jayavar­man VII spent a great deal of time in Vijaya probably in the 1160s. Cham texts add that he was accompanied by Cham troops when he returned to Ang­kor and secured the throne in 1178.

It may have been a Cham kingdom hostile to King Jayavarman's Cham allies that attacked Angkor shortly after, though there was never a huge conquest of Angkor by the Cham.

Following the Cham attack, Ang­kor was left strong enough for King Jayavarman VII to fight along­side Cham people against some Cham rulers as stated in Cham inscriptions of the 1180s and 1190s, he said.

I would say if it is allowed one way should be allowed the other due to the nature of regional conflict and temporary alliances, especially if there was an external threat to the people and their religion from outside forces.

Champa has been restricted and now not allowed Angkor Empire allies; yet the Angkor Empire is allowed Champa allies.

Another army condemned...