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Title: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Hunter on April 30, 2019, 08:01:19 AM
Hi MEG Boffins
Does fully armoured plus shield cover for foot reduced shooting to black dice with slow only results possible?
HH
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: RocketSix on April 30, 2019, 08:09:07 AM
yes, cover and armour are in different rows.

Black with slows only (assuming you're starting white)
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Hunter on April 30, 2019, 10:06:32 AM
Many thanks - that's what I thought but wanted a second opinion.
Cheers
Hunter
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: marshalney2000 on April 30, 2019, 04:26:45 PM
Providing of course you slow your movement to get shield cover.
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on May 01, 2019, 09:59:31 AM
One cannot always read the rules ...  ;)

15. SHIELD COVER
Shield Cover represents troops  with large shields who were able to lock them together for protection against missiles.  The Roman Testudo is the ultimate version, but many troops with large shields could do something similar, and Romans were adept at doing so without forming formal Testudo (which were generally for sieges).
1.   Files may choose to use Shield Cover when shot at in any Shooting Phase - they choose to do so before shooting dice are rolled.  The shooting player must enquire before rolling dice.
2.   Bases that have used Shield Cover this turn may not shoot (unless specified as an exception in the Army Lists); bases behind such a base can shoot normally.
3.   UGs with any bases using Shield Cover suffer a 1BW slowing effect that will affect them in Movement thereafter (place a purple dice as usual to record this). 
4.   Shield Cover increases the target dice armour level by one from Unprotected to Protected, or Protected to Fully Armoured.
5.   Shield Cover cannot be used in the Charge Phase, so such troops will have to take one round of normal shooting as they charge opponents, nor by any base engaged in Combat either frontally or as a Supporting File. 
6.   Shield Cover can be used when shot at from flank or rear.
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on May 01, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
So SHIELD COVER does not.
FARM in REAL COVER does.

Si
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: stuuk on May 05, 2019, 08:12:24 PM
Bit surprised there is anything fully armoured with shield cover - what?..
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: RocketSix on May 05, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
Doesn't make much sense in the James IV list , where the gentry have it. Do they get any benefit ?
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: marshalney2000 on May 06, 2019, 07:05:40 AM
Yes white goes to black then down again to black minus. Only hits that count are slows.
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: nikgaukroger on May 06, 2019, 07:28:43 AM
Might be useful to point out that this is because there is a list specific rule of:

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Shield Cover for Fully Armoured pikemen will downgrade shooting dice by one level when shot at frontally. These represent the pavises used in addition to the plate armour.

Shield cover works differently for this list  8)
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: RocketSix on May 06, 2019, 08:09:01 AM
:o
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on May 06, 2019, 09:29:33 AM
Ah ok a list specific is fine.

S
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Hunter on May 06, 2019, 10:41:43 AM
Thanks
HH
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on May 07, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Like it.  Indestructable front ranks until they get close.
I would add though that the special should exclude artillery - not sure it should help much when walking up to cannons from the era.
RJC?  List edit.

S
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: lionheartrjc on May 07, 2019, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on May 07, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Like it.  Indestructable front ranks until they get close.
I would add though that the special should exclude artillery - not sure it should help much when walking up to cannons from the era.
RJC?  List edit.

S

Agreed, I cannot think of everything.

Richard
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Jilu on May 10, 2019, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on May 07, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Like it.  Indestructable front ranks until they get close.
I would add though that the special should exclude artillery - not sure it should help much when walking up to cannons from the era.
RJC?  List edit.

S

why not...shield cover does not have any effect for artillery for all lists, any era
Title: Re: Fully Armoured plus Shield Cover
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on May 21, 2019, 04:04:24 PM
Then I already had it covered  in my main rules  8)