Minimal changes to 2020 lists + Points

[nikgaukroger]

I'm slowing down though 

[mad lemmey]

Have you done a Borg list!

[marshalney2000]

I'm slowing down though 

Not by that much.

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Have you done a Borg list!

Tennis player catapults ... oooh

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Japanese
These lists will be adjusted for evolution from single bamboo to triple Yumi
1. PBw to cut in later than currently
2. Heian period to be average-Bw, Kamakura Skilled-bow, Skilled-Pbw thereafter

Agree with this, apart from it's not the bamboo that changes wood core from single piece of wood,  to wood and bamboo in blocks/layers, this happened c1300. so early Kamakura list would have Bw, and Later Pbw, in the middle a mix, but I understand this may be hard to do.

Thanks Leslie.  Handy to have a date.

S

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Tibetan exorcist is the other single stand oddity

Aztecs too I think.

S

[Jilu]

About the lists :

Combat shy loose/close.
Often these are poor too.
i can understand that a list maker wants include poor troops or even combat shy troops.
But the combination of both makes them total crap and quite useless.
Why not leave the combat shy as an option if the troops are poor?
that will strengthen some armies or army options.

[Dru]

I dont get the driver for all these changes.

Chariots arent game breaking. BCh seemed to now be decent (but not dominating) finally. Now being changed.
Light chariots are a bit meh.

If anything I expected Chariots to get a bump.

This pursuit of a few people's ideal of perfection is risking a great game.

Change knights back to 4, will solve some of the issues. And that will make the ArmHrs upgrade actually an upgrade/benefit.

Im ok with the shooting changes if its deemed necessary. I would love for it to be extensively tested first. Not a couple of mates doing a couple of games. (Indeed, apply that to all changes -- this round seems rushed).

I am not a fan of 4 pieces of 'magic terrain' on the table but I don't know that I'd get rid of the only safe space for cav. Longspear foot will be the ducks nuts in 2020 with the changes?  Maybe retain but restrict it? ie: only 1 piece in the Optional phase is allowed?? The open terrain thing is cool, especially if magic terrain not avail in the Compulsory phase, so cav armies have something to place, but its not like terrain is dominating tables -- it's already skewed toward more open tables.

Im sure there is more. Im just throwing some stuff down. I am enjoying MeG. Yes, it could be better. But damn it sure could be a lot worse and the risk vs reward of this demands very thorough playtesting and consideration by the author (who I encourage to put aside any mates opinions at the end of the day that may be over weighted in influence).

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Thank you Dru.

I get the sentiment.
Will be suitably careful.

Things are getting tested quite a bit behind the scenes anyway.

Si

[rayfredjohn]

Great weekend play testing the 2020 changes. Everything worked well. I was worried about prompting through fire but it only took a small mindset change.

[Jilu]

Perhaps a proof read by non native english speaking players might be good too.

As we might interpret things differently, and might bring up some needed claries.

As we did in the V1

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Can certainly have a couple of volunteers for different languages to take a look.

S

[Jilu]

Punch is really good at this i think...

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Hoping Punch will be Ambassador for France and Jacques for Belgium.

S

[Rino]

Hoping Punch will be Ambassador for France
S

With his Catalan company his motto will become then deseperate Ferrero