2020 rule tweaks

[godzeusgr]

Interesting.
Remind me about the details of Cheronae Kostas.

S

Phillip used a strategem; he ordered his troops who were opposed Athenian to pretend a slow retreat. When there was a gap in the lines of the allies, he ordered his troops to stand and fight back.
See relative article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaeronea_(338_BC)

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Thanks Kostas

I see what you mean. 
A bit hard to know if true or not and if so whether a break off or a fall back.
I would suspect more a fall back as a break off with a phalanx seems a recipe for a disaster.

Not averse to putting it back in though for rare occasions with KaB test on all.

S

[Rino]

This is indeed something I missed.
If no more break off for equal speed opponents , it means the impact weapon / devastating charger and so on value diminished drastically as you can't expect hitting your opponent that many time anymore.

[nikgaukroger]

This is indeed something I missed.
If no more break off for equal speed opponents , it means the impact weapon / devastating charger and so on value diminished drastically as you can't expect hitting your opponent that many time anymore.

Is this a bad thing?

[Rino]

This is indeed something I missed.
If no more break off for equal speed opponents , it means the impact weapon / devastating charger and so on value diminished drastically as you can't expect hitting your opponent that many time anymore.

Is this a bad thing?

I reply by another question
The fact impact factors for infantry lose its weight in the game Is  balanced into the new budget for 2020?
The question is not neutral as it has impact on the army played and on the additional mini to paint. Thx in advance for your enlightenment .

[nikgaukroger]

Well I'm happy with the draft points I've seen for 2020 - my Romans will not be complaining for example.

[Rino]

Good news then?
What abt the gallic ? They will be stuck to death once committed to combat.

[nikgaukroger]

Well as Tribal (i.e. most Gauls) cannot break off from equal speed opponents now I'd expect them to be exactly where they are now.

[Rino]

You have a point.
Maybe except the merx of Hannibal at Cannae

[PUNCH]

Well as Tribal (i.e. most Gauls) cannot break off from equal speed opponents now I'd expect them to be exactly where they are now.

sorry but it was how I could imagine and represent successives waves of tribal assaults or roman manipular system , so two more categories of troops to the garbage

Punch "still no chance for a change of the thureophoroi?? "

[AntiokosIII]

I agree that hairy barbarian DC foot should not be well-trained enough to break off. I also agree that they are probably overpriced at today’s points. They ought to be cheap enough to field a second line, or at least overlap Romans or other foot armies by a lot, but are not. They are not maneuverable enough to avoid a straight up fight (unless played by a true wizard against an unskilled player) and they basically can’t win a straight-up fight. I don’t think the rules are to blame here. I think tribal DC foot are overpriced. Doesn’t bother me much as I don’t like playing them much, but there it is.

For example; I just pointed out a 10K Lowland Gallic list. I got 9 TuG’s of warriors (8’s) 2 of cav (6’s) and 3 units of foot skirmishers. The idea would be to run the foot 2 wide and 4 deep and just wear out the opposition. The problem is that you’re only 18 wide, and if you get an open flank your cavalry is not good enough to keep off the flankers. Oh, and if you decide you want to take poor leadership to maximize troops, too bad. The most 8-stand warriors you can have is 80, one more group than I used. This is why nobody runs
Hairy barbarians. They cost too much for what they do. IMHO. Look, as I said, I wouldn’t enjoy using the army if they WERE cheaper, it’s not a style I like. People who DO like them won’t use them, though.

[accard]

Re the proposed changes to Flank Charges:

"Flank Charges fixed to remove the cheesy one
This is rthe occurs when you are just past the line but there is enemy support nearby so it feels wrong.
1.Retain the line as today as it is simple, but add a second condition that there must be a 1BWx1BW empty space on the flank to be charged."

Will you be able to make an intercept move which doesn't actually intercept the path of charge, but which comes into that 1BW x 1Bw empty space?
Would that nullify the flank charge? If so, what happens?

[nikgaukroger]

There are no planned changes to the intercept rule so you will still need to move into a position where the chargers will contact you, therefore the question is moot 

[nikgaukroger]

And to preempt the obvious question I don't think the intercept rule should be changed to include the 1BWx1BW area.

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Indeed on the flank march.

On the break off I think we will leave the infantry break off in for those using such armies that way - rare though they are.

S