Can an intercept or countercharge pass through or displace a friendly SUG?

[craig.w]

This question was raised on the FB MeG Antipodes page.

Can an intercept or countercharge move pass through a friendly SUG? Section 9.3 says a prompted move can go through a friendly infantry SUG, or displace it. Universal rule 9 says a charge cannot pass through friends unless it's a forced charge, but it doesn't mention intercepts or other prompted moves. Universal rule 8 says all troops can pass through a friendly infantry SUG in the movement phase.

If they can't pass through, can they displace it in an intercept or countercharge?

Thanks.

[badhabum]

Have a look at this

https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=433.0

The answer should be NO .

During charge phase, you may/must move SUGs away from the path of a charge in order to have a clear path. To countercharge or intercept you must also have a clear path but do not have the luxury to move your SUGs. Even should the SUG be foot, you still have no clear path as there is something in the way . You may move trough a FOOT SUG but my understanding is that you cannot charge trough any kind of SUG. unless forced charge and you destroy your SUG .

[stuuk]

You can pass through as per the normal rules for such which basically says you displace SUGs in the way.

Page 68: 9.3 G - displacing friendly SUGs

So the answer is yes, you can do this by one method or another.
ignore this

[badhabum]

Did you read the post I put the link ?

Only during the movement phase may you displace SUG with TUG ! We are here in the charge phase which is not the same.

And to charge you need a clear way without friendlies in the way as you need unless a forced charge and if a forced charge, you kill your own SK unit ( PG 66, 3.4 ).

Let us perhaps wait and see if someone has a better answer

[stuuk]

hold on the clarification I thought mentioned this actually references a page that doesn't seem to make any sense..

MOVEMENT   PHASE
DISPLACING   FRIENDLY   SUGs
• Page   44   item   7

But this page has nothing at all to do with displacement, does it?..

[stuuk]

I believe you are correct though - you can only displace in the movement phase, contrary to what the book actually says.
I do not however see this mentioned in the clarifications - am I missing it?

[craig.w]

Did you read the post I put the link ?

Only during the movement phase may you displace SUG with TUG ! We are here in the charge phase which is not the same.

And to charge you need a clear way without friendlies in the way as you need unless a forced charge and if a forced charge, you kill your own SK unit ( PG 66, 3.4 ).

Let us perhaps wait and see if someone has a better answer

You can only displace enemy SUGs in the movement phase, but according to Universal rule 7 on p. 45 "at any time" you can displace friendly SUGs up to 1 BW, as long as there is room and they don't move into charge range of an enemy SUG or shooting range of enemy they couldn't previously shoot. On p. 68 point G doesn't mention a 1BW limit for displacing friendly SUGs, which is interesting. Is there a 1BW limit or not?

Therefore if you have a SUG partly in front of your charging TUG you can move it 1BW.

[badhabum]

If the SUG is in the way...can you see the target ?

If you may displace a TUG why is there a phase where you can displace them to make room

Also pg 47, point 7 concerns " align and fight" not the charge path and SUGs in the way ...

PG 68 is clear : by the minimum necessary so the shortest way , shortest move as long as it does not put the SUG in charge range or shooting range . In that case, the move is impossible .

I proudly stand and defend my position 

[Simon Meg-Meister]

You can only pass through a friendly SuG (or indeed push them around) in the Movement Phase, except if you have a Forced Charge (which then destroys them in the process).

So it now as Intercepts and Countercharges are in the Charge Phase.  Deliberate and important.

S

[Onurbm]

supporting bhdabum ...

[Simon Meg-Meister]

The choice to make it movement phase is very deliberate.
Charges therefore need some preparation and can be messed up by excessing use of skirmishers.
Without it you will find it is far too easy to protect your core troops from fire and still have huge flexibility.
This makes it a C&C trade off and challenge which is far better.

S