Wheeling a unit already in corner to corner contact

[craig.w]

If a TUG is in front corner to corner contact with an enemy TUG and so can not charge but can only wheel (p. 80) how far does it have to wheel to count as fighting the flank? A full 90 degrees? 45?

Thanks.

[marshalney2000]

My understanding is that you can align on to a flank from that position but cannot do a wheel into contact as other than aligning as above you cannot make a move into contact in the movement phase. If you align then I would surmise you would have to fully align by going the full 90 degrees.
By the way from the position you are in you could not move into a flanking position even in the next charge phase as your front edge is not beyond the enemy front edge.

[craig.w]

This is the wording on p. 80.

"Where an UG is in front corner only contact with an enemy UG's front corner it may align 1BW in movement to create a single base width frontal melee combat or it may wheel as a whole into side contact with enemy if it can reach and has room to do so."

It came up today and not 100% which way it should go. Geometrically I would say that the base is still only in corner to corner contact until it has wheeled the full 90% but can also see the other side of the argument.

[marshalney2000]

As that corner would not move during a wheel then I agree the who 90 degrees is required.

[lionheartrjc]

If it starts in corner to corner contact then it is only in side contact with the enemy once its front edge is touching the side edge of the enemy UG.  Therefore it has to wheel the 90 degrees (assuming its front edge was perpendicular to the enemy side edge at the start of the move).

Richard

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Has to wheel the full 90 to take advantage of it - so it hasn't the move to do so it cannot do so.
Alternative is allowed for all to create a simple frontal melee when only touching.

Si

[craig.w]

Cool. Thanks. It seems to come up every second tournament I play in...

I think the issue (if that's what it is) is that you can stagger a flank charge (ie not align) but if you wheel you have to go the full 90 degrees, so it seems to be treated a bit differently, hence the confusion. I think it would be handy to have it clarified in the 2nd edition.

[marshalney2000]

From the rules such a wheel into a flank is limited to a maximum of 2 BW's. Is this distance affected by slows?

[nikgaukroger]

Where do you get the 2BW from?

The move would be affected by slows in the normal way.

[Simon Meg-Meister]

Slows matter but no idea about about the 2BW.

S

[marshalney2000]

It is on page 81 in the alignment section. Lining up is restricted to one BW and wheeling into alignment is shown as 2 BW and then goes on to say that this might prevent some units aligning (presumably those with a wider frontage).

[nikgaukroger]

That's a different matter - a wheel from corner to corner contact is not an align.

[badhabum]

Alternative is allowed for all to create a simple frontal melee when only touching

I am not sure I understand this ?

If only touching corner to corner and the base is not a supporting one as only corner to corner and the TUGs are not in melee how could you do it ?

[nikgaukroger]

I believe it refers to page 80 the first part of section 1.1 which allows a 1BW align to create a melee combat with a unit you are not fighting but are in corner to corner contact with.

[marshalney2000]

So if in corner to corner and eligible to wheel as a whole into side contact when does this take place alignment phase or movement phase and if in the latter is there a cost in cards to to it. If in the former 4.1 should apply.
Taking it a stage further if a two element frontage Tug wants to do this wheel and I have another Tug exactly 80mm behind the front edge of the unit he wants to Flank is:
A) the move not possible
Or
B) he flanks my TUG but he also is flanked by my reserve unit as his side will be in contact with the front edge of my supporting unit's base.
Sorry to be like a dog with a bone on this but want a definitive answer before Skulls..