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DRAFT army lists to accompany 2026 list changes

Started by lionheartrjc, September 14, 2025, 06:58:49 PM

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lionheartrjc

#75
January 03, 2026, 07:59:55 AM
Quote from: Kokor Hekkus on January 01, 2026, 05:23:06 PMWhat has happened to the Odoacre Roman list ?

It was deprecated in the last set of lists.  It has now been removed, if you want an Ocdacer army, use the Late Foederate Roman list.

Richard

Kokor Hekkus

#76
January 03, 2026, 08:04:36 PM
That's a vastly different army composition, could you please explain the reasoning behind this.

nikgaukroger

#77
January 03, 2026, 09:02:52 PM
My take FWIW.

Odoacer was a senior commander of the remining Roman troops in Italy when Orestes forced Nepos out of Italy. He wasn't leading a different "non-Roman" army (for want of a better term, just the existing Roman army which by this time was, of course, mainly foederate troops. When the foederate troops wanted land and Orestes refused it, Odoacer overthrew Orestes and deposed Romulus Augustulus and then provided the land and ruled in Italy.

So basically there is no justification for a separate list. The list of barbarians that Odoacer is said to have led is just a list of foederates.

Jordanes does call him king of the Turcilingi (and also the Rugi as well in another place) but that really isn't enough to hang a separate list on as Jordanes is not reliable; he is also called a king of Goths by other authors - its not really clear.

I must confess to having suggested to Richard a couple of times that the Odoacer list under its previous name was not really tenable so I can't say I'm sad to see it go, but I hadn't clocked it was going in this iteration of the lists.
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Manzikert

#78
January 23, 2026, 06:10:36 PM
I noticed a couple of minor list errors. In the Sengoku Japanese list (7201) the title is dated 1500-1585 but the list is 1500-1563. In the Anglo-Danish list (3212) the note explaining how Huscarls and Fyrd can be combined cuts off before explaining that they can't take shove.

AntiokosIII

#80
March 08, 2026, 10:59:39 PM
Are there plans to move the 2026 lists from here to the main site? It's slightly more difficult to tell newer players where to find the current lists. Not a big deal, just wondering.
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lionheartrjc

#81
March 09, 2026, 06:56:27 AM
Quote from: AntiokosIII on March 08, 2026, 10:59:39 PMAre there plans to move the 2026 lists from here to the main site? It's slightly more difficult to tell newer players where to find the current lists. Not a big deal, just wondering.
They are on the main site, at the bottom of the 2026 Competition Amendments page. 

Richard
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