2026 Proposed Amendments - Army List change - Medieval men-at-arms

[lionheartrjc]

Realised that I omitted this one.

Instead of being classified as 2-H Cut-Crush, Melee Expert - medieval men-at-arms will be classified as 2-H Cut-Crush, Shieldwall.

If 2 deep, this will benefit them against mounted at impact (by cancelling Shatters) and will cancel mounted melee expert in melee combats.

Richard

[Kokor Hekkus]

It should help prevent them from being a speed bump in the charge phase   

[badhabum]

But the added ME made them formidable melee opponents

[Doomsmile]

I don't know about this change. Replacing melee expert with shield wall arguably makes men-at-arms worse against contemporary cavalry, since shieldwall only hedges out mounted ME if in two ranks, which the men-at-arms are unlikely to still be in after receiving a red die per file from contemporary average knights. (To say nothing of the massive hit to their effectiveness against other infantry.)

With that in mind, I'm not certain what this change is intended to address? (Sorry if I'm just being thick!)

[nikgaukroger]

I don't know about this change. Replacing melee expert with shield wall arguably makes men-at-arms worse against contemporary cavalry, since shieldwall only hedges out mounted ME if in two ranks, which the men-at-arms are unlikely to still be in after receiving a red die per file from contemporary average knights. (To say nothing of the massive hit to their effectiveness against other infantry.)

It prevents Shatters which as the worst of the damage they receive is in the Charge phase (IMO) is a pretty material change.

[sstoker22]

Speed hump?

[LawrenceG]

With that in mind, I'm not certain what this change is intended to address? (Sorry if I'm just being thick!)

Too good against infantry, I assume.

[nikgaukroger]

With that in mind, I'm not certain what this change is intended to address? (Sorry if I'm just being thick!)

Too good against infantry, I assume.

No, vulnerability to mounted in the charge phase.

[badhabum]

And FARM varanguians ?

[lionheartrjc]

And FARM varanguians ?

No changes to Varangians.

[badhabum]

I fail to seethe logic

[lionheartrjc]

I fail to seethe logic

They are not medieval men-at-arms.

[badhabum]

OK they are not men at arms so I will open a new discussion

[badhabum]

Solution à la Belge : the proposed change is based on playability, not facts. Why not go both ways and propose to the player a choice. Either all is MAA are 2HCC + ME or they are 2HCC and shieldwall, end of the discussion ...except for the "dismounted MAA" what happens to them as some do dismount and keep 2HCC + ME ? Mostly some french knights .

[Roger]

Not sure what we are trying to achieve here, Men at arms where vunerable to charging knights, but he were wonderfully effective once the mellee began and there was chaos