2026 Proposed Amendment #2 Risk to General

lionheartrjc · August 31, 2025, 07:47:45 PM

See 2026 Amendments News.

Change "A replacement for a legendary general that has been killed only claims +1 in combat."

This change affects the replacement general if a legendary general is killed. The replacement cannot claim +2 for fighting in the front rank as a legendary general and instead claims the +1 as for any other type of general.
This clarifies (9:D page 110).

Manzikert · September 01, 2025, 06:47:17 AM

The change makes sense but under what context can a legendary general be killed? Any check on them is performed with a white dice so no skull. The only instance I know of where one can be killed is in Sohie where the general is automatically killed if the shrine protector unit is completely destroyed.

nikgaukroger · September 01, 2025, 06:51:57 AM

Testing for generals is based on their number of cards.

If a Legendary general (5 card) is Wounded - i.e. a Wound on the White dice when testing - they become a 4 card Legendary general. So if they subsequently test that test is now a Green die and so they can be killed with a Skull.

badhabum · September 02, 2025, 02:47:39 PM

I once lost Achilles that way

Princeps · September 14, 2025, 04:44:58 PM

Is the replacement after death not one quality lower than the killed general as it is ?

So the replacement of killed legendary is Talented, is it not already ?

Best,
Antoine

nikgaukroger · September 14, 2025, 05:01:44 PM

I think we maybe confused ourselves with what happens with a Wounded general

lionheartrjc · September 14, 2025, 07:08:06 PM

Quote from: Princeps on September 14, 2025, 04:44:58 PMIs the replacement after death not one quality lower than the killed general as it is ?

So the replacement of killed legendary is Talented, is it not already ?

Best,
Antoine

A general who is wounded or killed loses 1-card (unless they are already a 2-card general). Technically they remain the type they started on. Personally, I think it is an unnecessary complication in the rules, but that is the way that it is written. So wound a 5-card legendary general and they become a 4-card legendary general. With the rules as they currently are, kill a 4-card legendary general and they become a 3-card legendary general. With the 2026 amendment, they would still be a 3-card general, but no longer legendary. I believe in one game, a legendary general was wounded three times before they were killed. After the third wound they were a 2-card legendary general!

nikgaukroger · September 14, 2025, 07:33:06 PM

I believe Antoine is referring to 9 D 1.3.6 as per this from the PDF:

Says the replacement is 1 quality grade lower than previously.

The section below on wounded is where it talks about losing a card (which affects the die colour used for testing of course).

lionheartrjc · September 15, 2025, 07:30:15 AM

Which is why it all needs tidying up!

Richard

LawrenceG · September 15, 2025, 01:49:46 PM

Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 14, 2025, 07:08:06 PMA general who is wounded or killed loses 1-card (unless they are already a 2-card general). Technically they remain the type they started on. Personally, I think it is an unnecessary complication in the rules, but that is the way that it is written. So wound a 5-card legendary general and they become a 4-card legendary general. With the rules as they currently are, kill a 4-card legendary general and they become a 3-card legendary general. With the 2026 amendment, they would still be a 3-card general, but no longer legendary. I believe in one game, a legendary general was wounded three times before they were killed. After the third wound they were a 2-card legendary general!

LawrenceG · September 15, 2025, 01:50:36 PM

Wouldn't a 2-card legendary general that dies be replaced by a 4 card Talented general?

lionheartrjc · September 15, 2025, 04:13:01 PM

Quote from: LawrenceG on September 15, 2025, 01:50:36 PMWouldn't a 2-card legendary general that dies be replaced by a 4 card Talented general?

NO! Which is why it needs tidying up.

LawrenceG · September 16, 2025, 10:59:06 AM

Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 15, 2025, 04:13:01 PM
Quote from: LawrenceG on September 15, 2025, 01:50:36 PMWouldn't a 2-card legendary general that dies be replaced by a 4 card Talented general?
NO! Which is why it needs tidying up.

Why would a such great commander pick such an incompetent 2nd in command?

badhabum · September 16, 2025, 02:33:38 PM

If such a great commander is death, how can he pick his successor ?

LawrenceG · September 17, 2025, 09:38:57 AM

Quote from: badhabum on September 16, 2025, 02:33:38 PMIf such a great commander is death, how can he pick his successor ?

Well, I suppose if it was Alexander, a 2 carder would equate to all the other generals fighting amongst themselves.

It is odd that if you kill a T general in a single blow (or an L in two blows), his successor is competent, but if he dies of accumulated wounds, his successor is mediocre.