M6 Advance and Contract clarification query

Started by nikgaukroger, April 29, 2019, 02:17:24 PM

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AntiokosIII

Well done, Simon. This came up in my Saturday game, where as I told my opponent " I COULD contract to get on your flank, but it'll be illegal by next week"...so I didn't do it. Now I feel a welcome virtuous glow.
Miniature Wargaming is the only completely honorable form of warfare ever invented by man.

Simon Meg-Meister

Providing glow is one of purposes.
Trust it was purple...
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badhabum

But is there still a minimum distance to move before contraction ? The correction only says "at the end of the move" not how far the move should be . Still 2 MU minimum ?

nikgaukroger

Si's new note is an addition to the current wording and not a replacement so the 2 BE minimum movement still applies.
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steads

This does have the consequence that you can no longer contract to get round terrain that is between 1/2 BW and 1 BW across your front even if there are no enemy close. Could the note read: "Contraction may be taken at any time in the move, but may not be done if the contracting files would have been in the Close Proximity Zone of any enemy had it been done at the end of the move."
I think this avoids the cheese without messing up otherwise reasonable actions.

Simon Meg-Meister

Good spot stephen.
Will adapt in some form.

S
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badhabum

I think it would be simpler to just limit the move as for  M4 . You contract at the beginning , must move at least 2 BW forward ( no wheel ) and stay 2 MU from an enemy TUG.

nikgaukroger

That is simpler and avoids the somewhat messy bit about where you would have been. KISS and all that.
"The Roman Empire was not murdered and nor did it die a natural death; it accidentally committed suicide."

steads

Quote from: badhabum on May 08, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
I think it would be simpler to just limit the move as for  M4 . You contract at the beginning , must move at least 2 BW forward ( no wheel ) and stay 2 MU from an enemy TUG.
This means that you cannot move forward and contract if your rear edge is touching something (table edge, TUG, camp, impassable terrain) and what would happen if my rear edge was against terrain that slowed the UG: Would it have to contract into the slowing terrain and thus be slowed?
If, to avoid the cheesy move, we are staying 2BW from enemy TUG then surely the contraction can be at any point in the move.

Jilu

Quote from: steads on May 08, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: badhabum on May 08, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
I think it would be simpler to just limit the move as for  M4 . You contract at the beginning , must move at least 2 BW forward ( no wheel ) and stay 2 MU from an enemy TUG.
This means that you cannot move forward and contract if your rear edge is touching something (table edge, TUG, camp, impassable terrain) and what would happen if my rear edge was against terrain that slowed the UG: Would it have to contract into the slowing terrain and thus be slowed?
If, to avoid the cheesy move, we are staying 2BW from enemy TUG then surely the contraction can be at any point in the move.

not being able to contract while at the end of the table is cheesy too, it is not the end of the world.
If it is terrain that slow the tug? so what?  these are circumstances of the battle.

Liberate me ex infernis

nikgaukroger

Quote from: steads on May 08, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
If, to avoid the cheesy move, we are staying 2BW from enemy TUG then surely the contraction can be at any point in the move.


Fair point. May just be the simplest solution.
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Rino

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Quote from: nikgaukroger on May 09, 2019, 05:55:59 AM
Quote from: steads on May 08, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
If, to avoid the cheesy move, we are staying 2BW from enemy TUG then surely the contraction can be at any point in the move.


Fair point. May just be the simplest solution.

+1

Amended, I have been over carried.
If 2mu from front of enemy (a way to ensure the zone of control being addressed)


Simon Meg-Meister

So we are back to my original prefered distance restriction.
I will amend this week.

S
Rolling Skulls in the land or Purple

Simon Meg-Meister

Amended ...  by far the best option.

M6 Advance and contract
Adjustment to stop cheesy contractions and bypasses when close to enemy.  Add to QRS notes: "Only if >2BW from enemy TuGs"  Note this is in movement phase only ,so if a contraction is NECESSARY to make contact in the charge phase, then it is allowed. NOTE: previous clarry has issues getting around own troops which we do not want.
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