Flank charges etc.

[marek]

Hi

Played a Pacto game the other night and a couple of things came up. I believe they apply equally as well to Maximus.

1) Some Archers  ( a TuG)found themselves in a position to flank charge a unit of cavalry and declared and declared a charge. The Cavalry were in a position to wheel 90 Deg and charge the archers front to front. The sequence of charges meant that the cavalry wheeled and charged first.

First question is whether the archers get to shoot. They have declared a charge but not actually charged yet. Rightly or wrongly we decided they could. This resulted in one slow to the cavalry who could not then reach the archers.
Second question is that  this being the case would the archers then be compelled to charge on their original line but now into the front of the cavalry ? We decided that they would. It wasn’t a happy outcome for the archers !

Not sure if we got either of these decisions right or wrong.

2) Generally if you are able to wheel 90 deg and charge is the move a wheel and 1HBW (or BW in Maximus) charge or is the limit of movement the normal move. So for close infantry a 90 Deg wheel takes 3HBW in Pacto and that then concludes their move or do they get another  1 HBW. Likewise do loose cavalry get the wheel ( again by our measurement taking 3HBW) and then get 2HBW move or do they only get 1HBW as the QRS would seem to indicate?

Be good to understand this properly.

[lionheartrjc]

Hi Marek,

If the archers are charging they do not get to shoot.

I am puzzled by your second question.  If the cavalry charged the archers, the archers should be contacted and therefore do not move.  (If the cavalry couldn't reach the archers, then they could not charge).

The wheel must be at the start of the charge.  The maximum move distance is the normal move for a wheel.  It is a wheel NOT a turn.  A wheel of 90 degrees in Pacto should twice the square root of 2 (Pythagoras) so about 2.83 HBW.  So loose cavalry wheeling 90 and then moving should end up moving up to 2.17 HBW after the wheel.

Richard

[marek]

Hi Richard

To clarify the reason the Cavalry could not reach the archers was because we decided the archers could shoot as they cavalry charged first and they inflicted a slow on the Cavalry , who then  ended up  1 HBW from the archers.

In relation to the wheel and charge distance, this is how we played it , and having just re-read the QRS realise i hadn’t read it correctly! The 1HBW refers to unengaged bases of engaged TuGs.

Thanks for the clarification.

Marek