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skb777

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UG 3+1
« on: October 01, 2023, 06:51:17 PM »
Say I have a UG of 4 bases, is there any reason why I canít have them as 3+1 or can they only ever be 2+2 deep?

I may have read this somewhere, but canít find it again.

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2023, 07:17:11 AM »
Can't have an UG of 4 in Pacto.  I presume you intend this to be Magna posting.


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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2023, 07:19:36 AM »
In Magna. yes an UG can be 3+1.  There is no restriction as long as the UG is at least 2 bases wide.

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2023, 07:55:20 AM »
Can't have an UG of 4 in Pacto.  I presume you intend this to be Magna posting.

Cool beans, sorry I did mean in Pacto (though could equally apply to the other I suppose) still trying to get my head around the terminology. What I meant was a unit - so 4 bases of pike or spear etc. Sorry I'm a bit lost, you can only have a unit of 3 bases in pacto? So you can have a 2+1 in that case and does the odd base still give rear support?
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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2023, 11:45:14 AM »
All units are one file wide in Pacto and no UG is more than three bases.  That is why I assumed you meant Magna.


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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2023, 11:47:23 AM »
In Magna. yes an UG can be 3+1.  There is no restriction as long as the UG is at least 2 bases wide.

Richard

I assume this applies to Maximus as well?

So as long as it's 2 bases wide you can have any combo - so an 8 Pike can be 6+2, a 9 Warband 6+3 etc? Having to have really deep UG's (especially skirmishes) just doesn't sit well with me. So would be more attractive if I can get away from that. 

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2023, 01:54:05 PM »
No, there is a restriction that out of combat no file can be more than 4 ranks deep. So a TuG of 9 must be at least 3 files wide.

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2023, 02:08:32 PM »
Sorry Richard, maybe I'm not explaining myself very well.  If I have a unit with 8 bases say (or any number you want to pick) I can have 6 in the front rank and 2 in the second so 6+2 it doesn't have to be an even number and I don't have to be restricted to having Pike only 4 ranks deep?

'So a TuG of 9 must be at least 3 files wide' but it can be  6 (in the front ) +3 (in the rear)?

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2023, 04:33:47 PM »
No, it doesn't have to be an even number.  Pikes don't have to be deployed 4 ranks deep (in the sources we have evidence they deployed 8, 16 or 32 ranks deep - although the latter may have been pre-deploying for combat, they may also have deployed in other depths such as 10 ranks).

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2023, 05:58:10 PM »
Thatís grand and exactly what I was getting at. Thank you.

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2023, 11:36:08 AM »
Probably not the right place to put this, but it's handy if I keep it all together.

So pikes in the Alexandrian Macedonian have to be in a unit of 6 or 3 in pacto as per the army list? So that is written in stone and I can't change how I want them to deploy, say in multiples of 2,4,8?

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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2023, 12:19:32 PM »
You can do whatever you want to in your own games, assuming all players agree. However, in games where you are using the lists as written (such as in competition) the UG sizes are fixed to what the list says - so in Magna the pikes would be 6 bases.
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Re: UG 3+1
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2023, 01:07:42 PM »
Dang that's annoying. Maybe I need new friends as they won't be that accommodating to give any sort of advantage and insist on the list being as they are  ;D