Forced charges and burst trough

[badhabum]

First a link to a former discussion : https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=270.msg1842#msg1842

First I looked at PG 116/117 and found out that a forced charge remains a forced charge even if it must burst through a friendly TUG. That is a well-known fact.

But I was sure there was an exception I did not find in the " exception" and had to go through the rules ( I just hope it will be easier with the PDF as I am sure it will be ) and find first the former discussion and reread the charges to find PG 120 point 2 which confirms the former discussion

But so new questions do arrise :

- The forced charge is NOT cancelled but just does potentially not move so is the TUG considered as having charged and so might not move during the movement phase (which is my conclusion) right or wrong
- There is no KAB as there is no burst through
- if per PG 119,  3rd bullet part of the forced charge UG can reach the enemy it will do it
- if the forced charge reaches the rear rank of a friendly TUG , has part of it's files not bloked do they have the benefit of a press forward to reach the enemy UG ? ( they did not contact the enemy as per PG 131 point 3 so I would say no but right or wrong ( only contact is mentioned )

[lionheartrjc]

Page 83 (Turn sequence)  "Forced chargers burst through unengaged friendly bases to get to their target and: a) cause KaB tests on any TuGs burst through (see 5.N), or b) destroy any SuGs burst through."  This is repeated on page 111 9.3H:6.4.

Page 116/117 describes who is obliged to forced charge (unless held).

Page 119 third bullet applies if part of an UG is blocked  (probably by engaged bases in this instance) then other files can continue to reach a target within 1BW directly ahead.

Page 119 fifth bullet describes how troops can avoid being blocked by friends.  It applies to forced chargers to help them avoid bursting through troops.

Page 120 9.3F:2 describes how the forced chargers and files that are burst through move.

Note: forced chargers can only burst through unengaged friendly bases.

In answer to some questions:
As far as I can tell, unless held a forced charge is never cancelled. That isn't a concept in the rules.  The UG may still be forced charging even if it cannot move (and therefore is restricted on what it can do in the movement phase).
As per page 83, if there is a burst through the UG that is burst through has a KaB test (TuG) or destroyed (SuG).
Third bullet on page 119 implies if some part of an UG is blocked then other files can charge enemy within 1BW directly ahead.

I must admit in all my games of MeG I think I have only experienced a burst through on one occasion.

Richard

[badhabum]

Thank you

Remain the interesting case of the UG that charges, stops because a friendly UG if fighting and in the way but could a file with an opening make a press forward ? I would say no as it did not make contact with an enemy ..but I guess I might be wrong

[lionheartrjc]

Thank you

Remain the interesting case of the UG that charges, stops because a friendly UG if fighting and in the way but could a file with an opening make a press forward ? I would say no as it did not make contact with an enemy ..but I guess I might be wrong

It would only press forward up to 1BW if it would make contact with the enemy.

Richard

[badhabum]

Thanks

[Jilu]

A Friendy tug is in combat.
that Tug 1 BW deep has a 1 BW gap of lost bases between bases in combat and corner to corner with the front base of the enemy tug so it does not combat (was previously in overlap)

A Tug that is behind the friendly Tug is subject to forced charges?

[lionheartrjc]

A Friendy tug is in combat.
that Tug 1 BW deep has a 1 BW gap of lost bases between bases in combat and corner to corner with the front base of the enemy tug so it does not combat (was previously in overlap)

A Tug that is behind the friendly Tug is subject to forced charges?

If the criteria for forced charges are met, then there is a forced charge regardless whether the bases are engaged or not.  A burst through is only possible if the bases are unengaged.

Richard

[LawrenceG]

Thank you

Remain the interesting case of the UG that charges, stops because a friendly UG if fighting and in the way but could a file with an opening make a press forward ? I would say no as it did not make contact with an enemy ..but I guess I might be wrong

It would only press forward up to 1BW if it would make contact with the enemy.

Richard

I think the question is if part of the charging UG is blocked by friendly engaged bases, do the other charging bases (i.e. with no engaged bases stopping them) carry on into contact? If so, would they be limited by the 1 BW press forward limit measured from their blocked neighbours?

[badhabum]

Not exactly my question as yes there is always a mandatory 1 BW press forward if it reaches an enemy TUG but my core question was : if the TUG is njust behind a friendly UG that's in melle, it is 1 BW from an enemy TUG  but it will not burst through as it is an exception will it considered as having charged even if it did not move ! the answer is clearly YES which is important as it means that the unit may not move during movement phase