Allies commanded by Sub general

Started by Ambiorix, December 05, 2022, 05:15:19 PM

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Ambiorix

Hi,

According to the list, the Late Med Polish army can have a Lithuanian Ally but is commanded by a Sub (not Ally) general).  As I am not 100% sure of all its implications, can you indicate which of the following statements are true or false (no, it is not a quiz or test  :)) :

1.   Lit. contingent conform to all rules of Allied troops (2-4 UGs, at least 50% of min...)
2.   Lit.  Subgen must be of same type (Prof. or Instinctive) as main Late Polish Army
3.   Pol. Army Cdr can also command troops of Lit. 'Ally'
4.   Prof Pol Army Cdr can gift cards to Prof Lit. 'Ally' Subgen

Thx

nikgaukroger

My understanding is:

1. Yes, it is still an allied contingent (the list wording being "Lithuanian allies are ...").
2. No, is chosen from the Lithuanian list as it is a contingent so must be Instinctive.
3. No as they are still allied, just led by a subbie.
4. No because of 2 above.

Basically I believe they are an auto-reliable ally hence their general is a subbie not ally.
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badhabum

It is really pretty clear : Lithuanian allies - Later Lithuanian - Lithuanian allies are commanded by a sub-general not an ally general. They cannot be hesitant or unreliable.

LawrenceG

Quote from: badhabum on December 05, 2022, 07:49:43 PM
It is really pretty clear : Lithuanian allies - Later Lithuanian - Lithuanian allies are commanded by a sub-general not an ally general. They cannot be hesitant or unreliable.

Not all that clear as literally being a sub-general has a number of implications as per the OP.

Why not put in a note saying the Lithuanian ally general can never be hesitant and therefore his points cost is as if he was a sub-general? 

Or that the Sub-general commanding the Lithuanian contingent is chosen from the Lithuanian list, which would allow item 3 in the OP to apply, which might be more historically plausible because the King of Poland is also the sovereign of Lithuania (they're just not a "United Kingdom"). 

badhabum

Interesting. To me it seemed pretty clear you take an allied Lithuanian contingent with a sub general that is not an allied but paid as SUB