ArmHrs

[badhabum]

Timurid Samarkand guard ?

[nikgaukroger]

As I understand it they were more used as the final crushing blow/breakthrough troops rather than standing around shooting for long periods and so the current classification (with ts Shoot & Charge) feels better.

Was there anything particular that is behind the query on these as a possible?

[Princeps]

I thought about this and came up with an idea I think might be interesting to toy with: 3 types of horse protection, separated from rider protection.

Presently, we have basically 3 types of riders :

• Unprotected Riders (who must have Unprotected mounts)
• Protected Riders with "-"
• Riders with Armoured Horses (whether the riders are Prot. or FArm)

Now, what if we went with the same idea for mounts as we have for riders?

• Unprotected mounts (+1 to shoot at them)
• Protected mounts (no effect)
• Armoured mounts (-1 to shoot at them)

This might give wiggle room without disrupting game mechanics, by

• Introducing more mounts classifications to better reflect what we know
• Permit some combinations that are for now impossible (Unprot. Riders with Prot. mounts, or Prot. Riders with Unprot. Mounts)

What say you ?

Best,
Antoine

[nikgaukroger]

Unprotected riders with ArmHrs is only not an option in the army builder because we have not found any such to be included in the army lists. If any were found it would be added.

The idea of a colour upgrade when shooting at horses with no level of protection would break the rules as these form the majority of cavalry in the period MeG covers.

[badhabum]

As I understand it they were more used as the final crushing blow/breakthrough troops rather than standing around shooting for long periods and so the current classification (with ts Shoot & Charge) feels better.

Was there anything particular that is behind the query on these as a possible?

Nothing special just asking

[Jilu]

Unprotected riders with ArmHrs is only not an option in the army builder because we have not found any such to be included in the army lists. If any were found it would be added.

The idea of a colour upgrade when shooting at horses with no level of protection would break the rules as these form the majority of cavalry in the period MeG covers.

Then instead of a color upgrade : S becomes wound?

[LawrenceG]

Unprotected riders with ArmHrs is only not an option in the army builder because we have not found any such to be included in the army lists. If any were found it would be added.

The idea of a colour upgrade when shooting at horses with no level of protection would break the rules as these form the majority of cavalry in the period MeG covers.

Then instead of a color upgrade : S becomes wound?

The point is: the rules are calibrated to give the "right" result when the horse is unprotected. Therefore if you change the result to give more hits on unprotected horses you will get the wrong result (shooting becomes too effective).

[MrSki]

I think the effect is the key thing here, in cases where a rider is protected, we're kind of saying that the horse and rider are in this effect band. When unprotected it's largely the same deal. Once you apply the notion of armhrs or fa you are giving a further resilience. For shooting a protected rider on an armhrs has better protection at mean point of failure against missiles, the horse. In melee the rider is the focus, but the rider has better survivability on an armhrs. So I think the mechanic is about right.
I agree there is probably scope to widen the net on some armies to include the option.
Some of the Arabians mentioned have been discussed, I would also suggest that maybe a tug of cats for Sarmations is probable given contemporary descriptions of their efficacy.
I would probably suggest that any armhrs also gets shove characteristic.