Move bases while in combat

Started by jfas, April 16, 2022, 07:09:05 PM

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jfas

Hi All

had a group of 6 bases (3 frontage)
one file was in combat the center was supporting the combat and the far left was free and was being shoot at.

so i wanted to contract the far left free file as to avoid the shooting.

as I am in combat can i do that with mf1 ?

Jilu

only if you add them in support of an existing fighting file, it has to ad dice or fatcors.
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lionheartrjc

Quote from: Jilu on April 16, 2022, 10:24:12 PM
only if you add them in support of an existing fighting file, it has to ad dice or fatcors.

Not true.  The QRS says "Create supporting files, fill gaps, create ranks, fight enemy supporting files".   Nothing ever mentions having to add dice or factors.

What you cannot do is move an engaged base.  If I have understood correctly, the bases in the far left file are not engaged, so they could be moved to either the centre or the right hand file or could create a new file to the right of the existing right hand file (assuming there is room).

Richard

Jilu

Quote from: lionheartrjc on April 17, 2022, 07:09:40 AM
Quote from: Jilu on April 16, 2022, 10:24:12 PM
only if you add them in support of an existing fighting file, it has to ad dice or fatcors.

Not true.  The QRS says "Create supporting files, fill gaps, create ranks, fight enemy supporting files".   Nothing ever mentions having to add dice or factors.

What you cannot do is move an engaged base.  If I have understood correctly, the bases in the far left file are not engaged, so they could be moved to either the centre or the right hand file or could create a new file to the right of the existing right hand file (assuming there is room).

Richard

does "Create supporting files, fill gaps, create ranks, fight enemy supporting files" not mean that the base has to contibute in one way or another ?
In the given example moving the file that is being shot at cannot be used as a supporting file on other side of the combat (that is how i understood it) but if you move the file behind the 2 rank of the unit it does not : "Create supporting files, fill gaps, create ranks, fight enemy supporting files"
If you "Create supporting files," you add dice
if you fill gaps, you either make a new combat or add dice by supporting
if you " fight enemy supporting files" you add dice

yes there is then :
if you create ranks it usualy is to add a fighting rank (second rank of long spears or others)

of course this can, i understand it while writing this, be used to contract without giving any dice or factors.
However in way it is in contradiction with the other contract rules that cannot be done close to the enemy.
Perhaps something to think about for the future?

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nikgaukroger

Quote from: Jilu on April 18, 2022, 09:48:02 PM

does "Create supporting files, fill gaps, create ranks, fight enemy supporting files" not mean that the base has to contibute in one way or another ?


No.

Whilst creating supporting files and fighting enemy supporting files will obviously mean they will then contribute, neither creating ranks or filling gaps need do so (although they might) - and there is no reason that they ought to be only allowed if they then contribute.
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