Evade/Run Away

[Hunter]

Hmmm ..... are you saying the chargers front bases do a 90 degrees wheel measuring old front to new front then the remainder of the move away from the evaders who are now behind 'em?

[Hunter]

The reason I ask is that page 132 5. seems to allow this if it is deemed to be "in an attempt to catch" the target which has evaded. You could argue whether moving further from the target due to the max 90 degree turn is such an attempt. interested in knowing how this has been played or ruled by the competition tigers.

[nikgaukroger]

It can certainly happen if the chargers choose to attempt to catch the evaders rather than charge along the declared charge path - it is a choice and not compulsory - their attempt has been a failure.

[lionheartrjc]

Hmmm ..... are you saying the chargers front bases do a 90 degrees wheel measuring old front to new front then the remainder of the move away from the evaders who are now behind 'em?

I am not sure what you are asking here.

If you don't move in the original marked charge direction then the wheel has to be in an attempt to follow the evaders, so you can't wheel in the opposite direction or move further away from the evaders.  You may not necessarily catch the evaders, but you have to be heading towards them (compared to the marked charge direction).  The rule here cannot be too prescriptive because issues like intervening friends and terrain might have an impact on the direction that the chargers can take.  It is about the only flexibility that chargers get (skirmishers get the movement options after an evade).  The wheel can be up to 90 degrees, but will usually be much less.

Richard

[Hunter]

2 TUGs of 4 bases. Chargers pointing south, Evaders pointing north. The evaders are only slightly to the side of and forward of the front base of the charges. The chargers charge. the evaders evade to their own front. They are now behind the chargers. The chargers wheel 90 degrees to make their best attempt at following the evaders. From just after turning 90 degrees the chargers best attempt at catching the evaders is to hurtle away from them still at 90 degrees or are further wheels allowed after the 90? Pg 120 6.1 says the chargers can change direction to attempt to catch the evaders. Pg 132 5. says the chargers may not exceed 90 degree at the beginning of the charge.

[nikgaukroger]

IMO the rules are quite clear that chargers under any circumstances, including changing direction to chase evaders, can only wheel up to 90 degrees and this is at the start of the charge - no other changes of direction no matter how much the player may want one 

In your example (which is exactly what happened in a game I played a couple of months ago) the chargers best attempt to catch the evaders is a dismal failure - its just the best they can manage against a slippery enemy. In such cases it is often better for them just to stick to their original charge path in my experience.

[lionheartrjc]

2 TUGs of 4 bases. Chargers pointing south, Evaders pointing north. The evaders are only slightly to the side of and forward of the front base of the charges. The chargers charge. the evaders evade to their own front. They are now behind the chargers. The chargers wheel 90 degrees to make their best attempt at following the evaders. From just after turning 90 degrees the chargers best attempt at catching the evaders is to hurtle away from them still at 90 degrees or are further wheels allowed after the 90? Pg 120 6.1 says the chargers can change direction to attempt to catch the evaders. Pg 132 5. says the chargers may not exceed 90 degree at the beginning of the charge.

Yes.   Probably a bit daft to charge in such circumstances.  I think you either follow your charge direction or you wheel 90 and move the full extent of your charge.  In either situation, the enemy ends up behind you.

Richard

[Hunter]

Ok, thanks fellahs.
HH

[Pyrrhus]

I am a little confused by the hypothetical posed by Hunter in which a charged unit evades to its front and wheels to get behind the charging unit. The rules, on p. 128 clearly state directly to one's own front. Wheeling is not directly to the front. As I understand it a unit making an evade move can only wheel to align with the charge direction. Am I misunderstanding the rules or taking them too literally?

[tarnowski1]

I am a little confused by the hypothetical posed by Hunter in which a charged unit evades to its front and wheels to get behind the charging unit. The rules, on p. 128 clearly state directly to one's own front. Wheeling is not directly to the front. As I understand it a unit making an evade move can only wheel to align with the charge direction. Am I misunderstanding the rules or taking them too literally?

in Hunter's example its the chargers that wheel not the evaders they only 'The evaders are only slightly to the side of and forward of the front base of the charges. The chargers charge. the evaders evade to their own front. They are now behind the chargers. The chargers wheel 90 degrees to make their best attempt at following the evaders. '

'They are now behind the chargers' - in the sense of behind a line drawn across the front of the charging unit (before it charges) , not directly behind the elements of the charging unit.