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Rules Queries / Re: Generals
« on: January 24, 2020, 11:11:41 AM »
Except that you can't straight kill a Legendary general (because it is a white dice), so you need to add;

A legendary general who has been wounded has four cards, further KABs rolled against him are on a green dice (while he is a 4-carder) ... and then your other points

Rules Queries / Re: Feigned Flight
« on: January 23, 2020, 12:44:03 PM »
Of course that means the feigned flight at the battle of Hastings can't be modelled (foot fyrd tempted into chasing mounted Bretons). Though I don't know the historical standing of that these days (I think it was one of those incidents that are subjected to periodic historical revisions as to whether it happened or not)

Tournaments / Re: 2019-11-16 - Warfare - 16/17 November
« on: November 30, 2019, 02:40:47 PM »
I'd be quite happy if those results never made it into the statistics  (...... ****ing Early Arabs.......!)

(sorry I know that's not much help)

Player Discussion / Re: 2020 new outscouting and deployment
« on: November 30, 2019, 11:50:53 AM »
I know, that's why I asked.  :P
Now I want to find the smallest possible army!  ;D Suspect Nikeophorians with tooled up Varangians, Normans and charging lancers would be close

Sad that I am I've already written a trial Nikephorian list with Richard's latest improvements. I got up to 9 UGs - but I was trying to make it up to nine, could have been a lot smaller. Really late knight armies with armoured horses might be smaller still.

List Queries / Re: Varangians on leave
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:15:29 PM »
OK I should also say I think these are really good changes from the historical perspective. One thing I like particularly is the treatment of the Menauvlatoi. They are described as somehow out at the front of infantry units and enabling them to resist ferocious charges. It's never been clear how - or how to model that on the table. But Shieldwall seems like a really good way to do that - so, applause!

List Queries / Re: Varangians on leave
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:06:04 PM »

Early Medieval - Byzantium - Nikephorian Byzantine and Later Nikephorian Byzantine.
Regraded Skutatoi:  Change to
Front rank infantry, Drilled Close, Average, Protected, Long Spear, Experienced Bow, Shield Cover, optional Shieldwall*, Combat Shy.
Rear rank infantry, Drilled Loose, Average, Protected, Experienced Bow, optional Shieldwall*, Combat Shy.

I assume this means that the Combat Shy is optional? Maybe need to deploy semi-colons for clarity here?

List Queries / Re: Varangians on leave
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:00:53 PM »
. Rear rank bowmen with shieldwall are treated as close for combat if behind a base of spears.

I don't quite get this - does this just mean if the unit is hit in the flank or rear it counts as close?

...ooh,ooh ...while writing this I just had a thought. Is this so that they count Shieldwall while two deep (one close spear, one loose bow)?


List Queries / Re: Varangians on leave
« on: November 25, 2019, 02:56:19 PM »
I suspect you are right - but does it make any difference in game terms? It affects the date you put in the box on the Army Builder - but that doesn't affect any of the choices you have (nothing else is date limited to clash with that) ... and if it is for a scenario game amongst friends you can do what you want

Player Discussion / Re: Tiny Wargames
« on: November 25, 2019, 12:08:26 PM »
Don't know if you have seen Stephen's but they manage to be very subtle. I have to squint and ask every time where they run (much to Stephen's amusement/exasperation) but once identified they are super-useful ...and not noticeable to onlookers or while playing the game.

List Queries / Re: Thunder bomb oxen are a damp squib
« on: November 24, 2019, 10:39:27 AM »
There are an awful lot of one-off gimmicks covered together in MeG (and almost all Ancient rules) as Expendables. For example how do scythed chariots fight if the drivers bale out before contact, how do you stop a stampeding elephant etc. What they have in common is that they weren't used very often - if they were they would be modelled as a mainstream troop type. That suggests they weren't very effective - and so shouldn't be very effective on the tabletop.
 I like oddities in my armies so I was arguing that this troop type should not be downgraded but should stay effective enough to be fun - but I quite understand if Richard wants to err on the side of caution and make sure gimmicks aren't too powerful.

In answer to your questions:-

1. They didn't
2. They wouldn't be
3. That's true but in fact almost every type of expendable could justify some sort of special rule - which would make the MeG ruleset very long

List Queries / Re: Thunder bomb oxen are a damp squib
« on: November 23, 2019, 05:40:53 PM »
OK - but I think they have gone from a low chance to no chance (literally no chance because if they start on -2 they can't get up to green even with a Shatter).

You have answered the question though - in MeG an exploding cow is now exactly as scary as a normal cow

List Queries / Re: Varangians on leave
« on: November 23, 2019, 10:21:57 AM »
Yup, that's the book Jacques refers to - he gave the translator. Useful book, recommended for anyone looking into the Varangian guard  ;D

Sagas have their uses, but as they big up the hero always need some caution when extrapolating to "lesser men" 8)

Yeah, looking at it, it is Blondal translated by Benedikz. I didn't pick up on that because I was so pleased with myself for finding something specific about armour and legs! You know armour is good when it gets a pet name like Emma! However, also need to remember Sagas being written down later perhaps  make assumptions based on armour of their time not Harald's.

List Queries / Re: Thunder bomb oxen are a damp squib
« on: November 23, 2019, 10:06:57 AM »
With all this historical fun I have lost focus on the game question and maybe other people have too, so I'll try and summarise:

a) In 2019 Thunder bomb oxen were Battle Chariots (Poor, Combat Shy Expendable etc). They were very ineffective - the best I ever did was two wounds before dying, the dream of somehow getting a string of Shatters never happens in reality on the table top

b) In 2020 Battle Chariot disappears as a classification and so they become Devastating Charger Cavalry  (Poor, Combat Shy, Expendable etc). This is two factors worse than in 2019 (or one factor worse if you go two deep ... which seems historically wrong, adds only one factor to one file and gives up a file, so less chance of a Shatter and can only be done in one file because it is a unit of three)

c) I'm suggesting restoring them to their 2019 level (perhaps by removing the Combat Shy and Poor classifications)

d) Lots of fun historical evidence emerged

List Queries / Re: Varangians on leave
« on: November 23, 2019, 09:48:28 AM »

Because despite the numbers of modern illustrations of Varangians with limb armour, usually splinted, the actual evidence for it for is zero for period Byzantine infantry (as opposed to the katafraktoi whose limited numbers do use it, obviously) - the justification is often that examples have been excavated in Sweden and so get projected onto the Varangians in Byzantine service, however, those date from the C6th/7th and no later and from rather a long way away.

Ooh, another quote from my bookshelf! This is from The Varangians of Byzantium by S. Blondal (p184 in my edition):-
 "The mailed coats could be of very great strength and made with great skill, as in the case of Haraldr Siguroarson, whose coat Emma, which protected him down to the calves, was made in Byzantium". His referencing in a footnote is to the Ljosvelninga Saga (though I think all the Sagas were written down much later than Harald's time, so not necessarily reliable)

List Queries / Re: Thunder bomb oxen are a damp squib
« on: November 23, 2019, 09:12:57 AM »

Yeah I found that picture too. Following the link it seems to be a Ming era drawing. It seems that this ploy is mentioned quite often in Chinese military texts over the years (bit like the Byzantine texts - they all copied the older versions then added their own bits). This is the version with blades and spears and a firebrand on the tail. Apparently the Ming kept all these ideas and just added a bomb. 

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