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Mortem et Gloriam Army Lists => List Queries => Topic started by: Player on December 19, 2019, 07:31:05 PM

Title: Moldavian list
Post by: Player on December 19, 2019, 07:31:05 PM
Is there any reason why the following Infantry in the lists are classified as 'dismountable'?
Voynuks, archers, rustici and curteni? As far as I know none would have had horses
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 19, 2019, 07:46:13 PM
Probably based on Ian Heath's Armies of the Middle Ages, Volume 2 where he says that virtually the whole army could be mounted, but that many were just mounted infantry.
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: sultanbev on December 19, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
In my uncompleted book manuscript on Renaissance Turks, I have Voynuks described as:

Slav Christian heavy armoured infantry, 1450 at least one per 5 households in Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, and Greece, plus one per 10 households in Hercegovina. Therefore numerous.
Extant as semi-settled garrisons on Austrian border in 1590s.

A quick google search also shows that in peace time they raised horses for the Turks. Presumably as such they were able to ride.

Mark
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on December 21, 2019, 06:43:13 AM
Check the discountable characteristic as it applies to infantry and it portably does fit that.

Si
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: mad lemmey on December 21, 2019, 01:38:05 PM
Or dismountable...
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: marshalney2000 on December 21, 2019, 02:22:12 PM
I certainly would not discount the dismountable or should that be dismount the discountable.
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: Player on December 25, 2019, 08:28:22 PM
If they have horses and are dismountable then surely they should be classified as 'cavalry' and then with the dismountable characteristic. If they never fought on horses then the 'dismountable' characteristic is irrelevant, non-sensical and misleading.
I assume there is no unit as 'mounted infantry' which then might have a cavalry movement rate and then dismounted to fight; but there seems to be nothing in the rules to say this?
As it stands the units are classified as 'Infantry' and no mention of horses. Hence the classification of 'dismountable' is nonsensical, as they are already dismounted and cannot be mounted becuase they are infantry.
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: RocketSix on December 25, 2019, 08:34:52 PM
Read point 4 & 5 in the dismountable characteristic
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 25, 2019, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: RocketSix on December 25, 2019, 08:34:52 PM
Read point 4 & 5 in the dismountable characteristic

Optimist  ;)
Title: Re: Moldavian list
Post by: Player on December 25, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
ok now seen the rule about 'infantry' with the 'dismountable' charateristic.