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Mortem et Gloriam Army Lists => List Queries => Topic started by: RogerW on November 19, 2019, 07:44:04 PM

Title: Medieval Welsh
Post by: RogerW on November 19, 2019, 07:44:04 PM
Just working on my new Medieval Welsh list and was a little surprised at the classification of the cavalry.

Can understand both the classifications of the later Uchelwyr to represent Knights and Sergeants / Hobilars.

What I find unusual is the classification of the basic Uchelwyr and I thought they would of been better suited to the idea of formed flexible cavalry rather than formed loose as both the eyes and ears of the force and used to skirmishing in the hills if need be as they fall back but still able to form up to fight in a pitched battle.

Only mention it with the January review coming up.

Are my thoughts on Welsh mounted wrong?
Title: Re: Medieval Welsh
Post by: nikgaukroger on November 19, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
As they have javelin missile skill they are perfectly able skirmishers.

I've always been more surprised that they are both Superior and Melee Expert - but as they are it suggest that the list writer sees them as quite combaty cavalry and thus Loose as opposed to Flexible seems right to me (my analogy would be with ghilman types who go from Flexible to Loose as they become more fighty).
Title: Re: Medieval Welsh
Post by: RogerW on November 19, 2019, 09:23:41 PM
I was thinking as much about the scouting to allow some improved ability as they usually knew the movement of their opposition in the mountains and the force lacks scouting
Title: Re: Medieval Welsh
Post by: RogerW on December 02, 2019, 09:16:19 PM
Still think the cavalry could be flexible when you consider Marcher Muntators and staves of the era are flexible (I do get it that the staves etc are charging lancer and cant evade so that enables them to if they are in the right formation but given that feign flight ability they now have access to is only useable by flexi cavalry or skirmishers so a pretty much pointless upgrade to the list imho)

Have a question though regarding the North / South allies.

States a Southern ally must have the compulsory spearmen and better spearmen but does not have to have the archers (and the opposite for a Northern ally)

Then goes on to say that the none compulsory troop can be taken but must be outnumbered 2:1 by the compulsory type.

I am guessing this mean in actual UG's rather than figure count or base count.

I only mentioning it as looking at a Northern Welsh internal ally with 2 x 8 Longbowmen and then taking 1 x 9 Best Spearmen.  That is a legal 2:1 by UG but not by base count...